Zephyrnoid
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Does this mean that eminent 50" OLED panels will have no bearing on that statement ?
Canon 300 <---- Is it worth the price?
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greenheron
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LG 55-inch OLED TV panel slapped with $8,000 price tag. Now that's a statement!
mjmcneese
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WARNING: Unscientific response...
I went with a 42" 720p plasma in our bedroom because I could NOT tell the difference between 1080p and 720p from more than 12' away. If you apply the right algorithm you could figure out that you would need to be 3' away on a 42" screen to see the difference with 4k.
Let's remember, though, 4k is not an imminent broadcast format. For the foreseeable future, the benefit of 4k is film-out, digital theatre projection, and making billboard-size artwork out of any given frame of your project.
Darren Levine
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to hell with you all, i'm switching back to SD...with pulldown...Interpolated...and......INTERLACED
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Alpha Beta Omega
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I know but then atleast you have 10-bit output!
Thanks for the link! There's some great discussion there on the state of the game that these types of cams are bringing to the table.
Cheers,
Pete
Alpha Beta Omega
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Yes
alpi69
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yep. That is also the strong argument in favor of the F3.
It comes down to look at your needs and options. The F3 is is definitely cleaner and offers 10-bit and even 4:4:4 with a Gemini. At that pricerange (F3, S-LOG, lens-Adapters, external recorder) and for those projects where you need these features I ask though, if you shouldn´t already be on a RED Scarlett or RED Epic!?
The C300 is definitely capable of similar images than the F3; in camera. For less investment.
I believe we can stop comparing the C300 and F3 to the DSLRs (even the new Nikon). These two cameras are made for cinematography and they both deliver more than most of us ever get out of them. And IMO they are both at a price where they are worth it if your needs are there.
If your need is not fast and flexible workflow on set and in post, then IMO go for the GH2hack. If you want at least a decent videocamcorder setup (in-cam-audio, waveform etc), but don´t need every bit of resolution take the AF-100.
The C300 and F3 are priced well above all of these (multiple times!!) for a reason.
I like my 7D images, but when I watch the newest breed of cams I am shocked how bad it is in direct comparison in terms of noise, resolution, codec, workflow. So when we look back in 5 years we will say: "ah look at this look from the DSLR era", just as we see 8mm looks from the 70s. But the new S35 cameras bring the whole filmscene back to its origins: 35mm sensorsize and DOF and an enphasis on the story and light instead of mere shallow DOF looks and pumping focus.
+1000 times this.
Zephyrnoid
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I think when we all look back we will say " ah look at how much money the manufacturers of DSLRs made off of suckers willing to pay too much for beta designs" !!! LOL
Zephyrnoid
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$100 bet says it will that by Q4 2012. ALL pre-release prices are arbitrary 'positions' designed to gauge the real price at which the volume, available units and profitability intersect. it takes 12 months to shake down the position price to the 'settled' price, which I think is closer to $8,000.
You all forget, that unless there is a heap of patents attached to the product, there's about $100 worth of production costs and about $1,000 of marketing and licensing attached to each unit. the rest is all about automated manufacture- the retail prices are highly flexible
cowpunk52
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Just a minor correction - the XF300 is actually priced at $6499 currently, and it's the XF305 (with SDI) that is at $7499.
The C300 is puzzling to me on paper.
The images look good. I just have a strong feeling the codec in 8 bit isnt going to hold up to the mean things we do to footage in post. need to see it for my self to be sure.
But honestly, im so in love with my F3, and with a new scarlet on the way, i feel like i can live my whole life and never need to touch a C300.
The images look good. I just have a strong feeling the codec in 8 bit isnt going to hold up to the mean things we do to footage in post. need to see it for my self to be sure.
But honestly, im so in love with my F3, and with a new scarlet on the way, i feel like i can live my whole life and never need to touch a C300.
Frankly, if I already had an F3, I probably wouldn't be that interested in a C300.
Jim Martin
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This has been gone over and over......4K chip 10bit processing funneled down to 2K, 8 bit recording. Dana Christiansson ASC DP who shot the short "XXIT" using a TON of complicated green screen (shot at Universal's Big green screen stage with over 80% of the lights off) didn't even know the C300's recording was 8 bit....until a week before the event when they went to Paramount to test screen the film! He thought it was 10 or 12 bit all during the shoot. If there was any problem with the 8 bit, it would have reared its head during his post process.
Jim Martin
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