Canon 1DX Mark III

DLD said:
So what is expected of the "pro level R"?
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Hmm... I thought it was confirmed to be a high res stills camera to replace the ageing 5D sR.

I'm hearing a EOR R body style, 75MP stills camera for studio work. I'd consider any video feature at all as a bonus.
 
AndreeOnline said:
Hmm... I thought it was confirmed to be a high res stills camera to replace the ageing 5D sR.

I'm hearing a EOR R body style, 75MP stills camera for studio work. I'd consider any video feature at all as a bonus.
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Well, it's all rumors, but it seems clear that Canon has two lines of upper level photo cameras. One is the 5D that has a direct comparison to the current EOS R. They have a specialty version of that camera which is the 5Ds for those people who think more MP is better and that will be the 5DsR. And then there is Canon's actual top of the line, high frame rate, weather sealed beast that is the 1D line. At some point it seems safe to say that Canon will release a mirrorless version of the 1D. A mirrorless 1D would make for a better hybrid camera than the 1DX-III just based on the fact that it isn't saddled with a mirror. Canon seems to understand that mirrorless cameras benefit more from videocentric features as shown by the flip screen and improved video on the EOS R vs the 5D IV.
 
After the release of the EOS R, I was curious about it but wanted a 1 series version with the RF mount. Unfortunately I haven't seen a single credible rumor since then about a 1DR being close to release.

Canon is on the record about having a pro body RF mount camera slated for 'imminent' release. There are many indications that this is a RF mount version of the now a bit old 5Ds/5DsR.

My expectation of the coming RF pro camera is: low frame rate stills, high resolution (75 MP is latest bet) with focus on image quality for photos. It would be cool if dynamic range was impressive—it's been said to be an area of focus.

I haven't heard anything about video features regarding this camera, and I don't think Canon will release a 75MP body with pro level video.

The EOS R mkII could be interesting. Same form factor but with iterative upgrades and better processing. If Canon doesn't hold it back, it could be good for video. End of 2020?

ADDED: I think the video rumors are related to something between the C200/C300mkII and the C500mkII for NAB? Maybe a C400 that takes the place of the C300mkII in the lineup?
 
The EOS R lost the 5D Mark IV's DCI 4K Motion JPEG, which some found a step back.

IMO, the EOS R's video is probably the softest out of the bunch (5D Mark IV, 1DX Mark II).
 
AndreeOnline said:
... ADDED: I think the video rumors are related to something between the C200/C300mkII and the C500mkII for NAB? Maybe a C400 that takes the place of the C300mkII in the lineup?
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That was another rumor that made sense but, IMO, that will be in EF.

And the high MPX stills camera should be announced for CP+, according to CanonWatch.

But that leaves a huge hole in the videocentric RF lineup. Like in "no cameras available, none shipping". Surely, they have to address the situation soon enough.
 
AndreeOnline said:
After the release of the EOS R, I was curious about it but wanted a 1 series version with the RF mount. Unfortunately I haven't seen a single credible rumor since then about a 1DR being close to release.

Canon is on the record about having a pro body RF mount camera slated for 'imminent' release. There are many indications that this is a RF mount version of the now a bit old 5Ds/5DsR.

My expectation of the coming RF pro camera is: low frame rate stills, high resolution (75 MP is latest bet) with focus on image quality for photos. It would be cool if dynamic range was impressive—it's been said to be an area of focus.

I haven't heard anything about video features regarding this camera, and I don't think Canon will release a 75MP body with pro level video.

The EOS R mkII could be interesting. Same form factor but with iterative upgrades and better processing. If Canon doesn't hold it back, it could be good for video. End of 2020?

ADDED: I think the video rumors are related to something between the C200/C300mkII and the C500mkII for NAB? Maybe a C400 that takes the place of the C300mkII in the lineup?
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1D R is highly unlikely.

The most demanding pro sports photographer cannot tolerate any lag at all using EVF. FYI A9 has about 30ms EVF lag.
 
marvinhello said:
1D R is highly unlikely.
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Yeah... I could have phrased that better. I don't want an actual 1Dx mkIII as a RF mount. I want a 1D body style RF mount camera (dual grip body) with focus on high quality stills and high quality video.

I would trade some of the speed of the mk3 for a sensor with slightly higher resolution, but it's not a big issue. I've seen sooo many comments about how 20MP won't work in 2020. I get that there are users who would benefit from a 150 MP sensor, but what I'm seeing seems more like the average enthusiast just wants more resolution to... I don't know... increase one of the numbers of the specs?

First they buy the next 60MP FF body and then they pair it with a Sigma 105mm Art 1.4 and take beautiful portraits with.... I guesstimate here... 95 out of 120MB worth of soft blur.

Anyway... I'm fond of the idea of a 35MP sensor that does well for photos and still allows for FF readout to 4K 10bit+ files. But I'm OK with the mk3 specs, overall. I think my main points of frustration is no DPAF in 4K60 FF non raw and that the 120fps mode shoots to 8bit mp4. I think 10bit HEVC would have been good for that.

marvinhello said:
The most demanding pro sports photographer cannot tolerate any lag at all using EVF.
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Possibly. But I have a feeling fewer and fewer photogs try to wait for that decisive moment and just 'spray and pray' instead; knowing that it's not actually praying. It's proper technique to grab lots of data around 'that moment' and sort it out in post.
 
Human reaction time makes the optical viewfinder lag argument moot. Most would be lucky to get under 300ms: https://www.justpark.com/creative/reaction-time-test/

Even when live view is lagged it won’t matter as long as the captured frame matches the display.

As Andree noted, critical shots will be sequential bursts.

Betting money is Canon getting rid of old tech stock before moving to full digital like Sony (which has no shutter blanking = better tech/tool).

Nice job on the rolling shutter- more jello than the 1DX II?

10-bit 422 is best with Canon Log 3; CLog only at this point is obvious crippling.

Thanks Canon for saving me $6500. When’s the A7S III due lol?
 
The one nice thing about this release for anyone interested is it should be available in about a month or so (a first for Canon for a camera of this magnitude).

No one at the Olympics is going to be caught dead with a II since it's all a high-society game just as much as it is a tech-game, so they want to provide plenty of time for people to get one.
 
jcs said:
10-bit 422 is best with Canon Log 3
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Yes, that would be nice.

DaVinci Resolve to the rescue, I hope. It's been said that the mk3 doesn't record to Canon Raw Light. But I'm guessing once the gamut is confirmed (Canon uses some custom raw gamuts for some (all?) of the cinema cameras) DaVinci should be able to read the .CRM files directly and transcode them to... hopefully something like Canon Log3. But yeah, internal Log3 would be great.
 
https://www.digitalcameraworld.com/...non-no-new-ef-lenses-unless-market-demands-it

This has been making some stink on the Mirrorless Rumors site family. "No new EF glass", says some Canon Europe dude. The responses vary from, "We're got enough EF as it is" to "That's what Sony said about the A-mount and it was the A-mount death knell".

Of course, the demise of the DSLR has been in the works for quite some time but one does wonder about the future of the EF-mount bodies.
 
If stills guys/gals - whom are dealing with 1 frame as the product they deliver - can use Canon's adapter and get a 99% hit rate with new RF cameras then who cares.

Not only are there enough EF lenses, but there are enough EF stills cameras, especially after this one in this thread.

And if some are after high MPs then new RF glass on new RF bodies will suit them well.
 
I do not see the outrage. The EF lenses will work for as long as one needs them to. The next wave of cameras will be mirrorless, hence the new mount. Yes, they have to make the change at some point. Why not now?
 
Bassman2003 said:
I do not see the outrage. The EF lenses will work for as long as one needs them to. The next wave of cameras will be mirrorless, hence the new mount. Yes, they have to make the change at some point. Why not now?
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Making the next C line camera(s) have the RF mount and coming out with a pro version of the EOS R could go a long way toward spurring mass adoption of the RF lenses. We'll see.
The EOS R and RP are not great cameras, they are adequate but both pretty crippled. And the C500 MKII should have shipped with the RF mount and a free EF adapter, that would have
been a very smart move.
 
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I see the RF line as better lenses in the end. The large mount and short flange is easier to design with which results in better lens characteristics. The adapter seems to work great for EF so the sooner the better so they can start making better cameras to go with them.
 
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