Canon 1DX Mark III

[robfilms]

I was surprised to see that the 30 min limit is still there.

it is still a dslr which since sold in europe falls under the tax structure previously, and often, explained.

c'est la vie.

(that expression is also european and falls under the same tax structure!)

thumbs up.

rob
smalltalk productions/nyc

 

[NorBro]

More like C'est la overpriced.

The camera is too expensive to be a DSLR and to be playing these games.

 

[Bassman2003]

If the 30 min limit is DSLR related then the mirrorless 5DR should not be restrained. Right? But I need the 24bit XLR audio to seal the deal.

No doubt like the Panny S1H, this is a great camera.

 

[cpreston]

If the 30 min limit is DSLR related then the mirrorless 5DR should not be restrained. Right? But I need the 24bit XLR audio to seal the deal.

No doubt like the Panny S1H, this is a great camera.

The EOS R has a 30 minute time limit. I think the only Canon photo camera that hasn't had it is the 1DC.

 

[Tamerlin]

Got it. So in your final subset, there are 23 people, worlwide. ;-)

Of which 17 are digital potatoes, aka "youtubers" who will just make video reviews of the camera, find something lame to complain about, and then go looking for the next camera to review and complain about

 

[davedv]

it is still a dslr which since sold in europe falls under the tax structure previously, and often, explained.
c'est la vie. (that expression is also european and falls under the same tax structure!)
thumbs up.
rob
smalltalk productions/nyc

My understanding is that under the World Trade Organization (WTO) Information Technology Agreement (ITA) expansion negotiated in 2015, the EU tariffs on a number of products (including video cameras) would be phased out over a 3 year period from 2016 to 2019. So assuming the EU actually stuck to this schedule, the EU import duties on video cameras (which were as high as 14% in 2016) would have been reduced to 0% as of 2020.

Here is an explanation of the 30 minute recording limit used as differentiation between still cameras and video cameras for EU import duty classification purposes (from a ruling in 2016):
https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-8-2016-001277-ASW_EN.html

In particular, see the note at the end of that clarification ruling:
"The Commission can in this context confirm that the product is part of the coverage of the revised WTO Information Technology Agreement, which has been negotiated by the Commission. This means that the customs duties for camcorder will be removed after the revised agreement enters into force and thus in extension benefit EU consumers."

I believe the revised WTO Information Technology Agreement mentioned is the one announced here in December of 2015:
https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/IP_15_5440

And the rounds of tariff cuts from 2016 to 2019 are mentioned here:
https://www.wto.org/english/news_e/news16_e/ita_20apr16_e.htm

 

[TheDingo]

 

[DLD]

The pro R body is rumored to be released this year...

But it's supposed to be a high pixel count (75M or so) answer to A7RIV. I still say that there will be a C100 MKIII in RF, which will be in a different body module (closer to C200/300) but with the electronic guts of 1D XMKIII. As Andree noted with regards to the codec, a 10-bit C-Log HEVC/H.265 at 170 Mbps ought to look good enough for an entry level cinema camera. And it will give C300 MKIII/C400 at $10,000 some room to breathe with its s35 6K CRL.

 

[DLD]

Haha ... the formerly TCS Jordan has the same idea on the body ... well, maybe he knows something that we do not ...

 

[NorBro]

As someone who has owned all of Canon's high-end stills cameras that shoot video at one time or another, I think only Aliens would be able to tell the difference between the 4K IQ in all of them and this new one based on that video above and others I've watched today.

I really think Canon has been the only company in which the 4K IQ has been almost identical for the last 7 years in the DSLRs (and one mirrorless, EOS R).

That isn't a knock as that's fine and I think their cinema cameras have changed, but seriously; anyone whom has extensive experience with a 1DX Mark II cannot possibly justify this $6500 upgrade for pure image quality.

P.S. The snow above reminded me of this 1DC video I always used to watch when I badly wanted the camera at that time but couldn't have it:
https://youtu.be/EbvVpvXwlKU?t=105

It's funny how if you ever go back and watch older videos, there is so much more positivity in the comments than there is today.

 

[cpreston]

But it's supposed to be a high pixel count (75M or so) answer to A7RIV. I still say that there will be a C100 MKIII in RF, which will be in a different body module (closer to C200/300) but with the electronic guts of 1D XMKIII. As Andree noted with regards to the codec, a 10-bit C-Log HEVC/H.265 at 170 Mbps ought to look good enough for an entry level cinema camera. And it will give C300 MKIII/C400 at $10,000 some room to breathe with its s35 6K CRL.

I agree with all of that, but the current canonrumors.com narrative is that a high pixel R body is to be announced relatively soon, and then a true pro level R is to be announced closer to the end of the year. The high MP and the pro R are to be two different cameras.

 

[Bassman2003]

There are lot of gears to turn for great image quality. I am cautioning myself about considering anything Canon & hybrid for video as they always seem to dull something down, even if the specs seem up tp par. I think they have a deep belief about value and what true great image quality is worth in their eyes. This is the top of the line for their stills but not video. This leads me to believe that there will be some disappointment awaiting with the 5DR Pro body and video use.

One of my favorite user quotes here was about a Canon camera and how they were the only company that managed to make 4k look soft. Anyway, always happy to see new products and I am sure this camera will sing out in the wild.

 

[indiawilds]

As someone who has owned all of Canon's high-end stills cameras that shoot video at one time or another, I think only Aliens would be able to tell the difference between the 4K IQ in all of them and this new one based on that video above and others I've watched today.

I really think Canon has been the only company in which the 4K IQ has been almost identical for the last 7 years in the DSLRs (and one mirrorless, EOS R).

That isn't a knock as that's fine and I think their cinema cameras have changed, but seriously; anyone whom has extensive experience with a 1DX Mark II cannot possibly justify this $6500 upgrade for pure image quality.

P.S. The snow above reminded me of this 1DC video I always used to watch when I badly wanted the camera at that time but couldn't have it:
https://youtu.be/EbvVpvXwlKU?t=105

It's funny how if you ever go back and watch older videos, there is so much more positivity in the comments than there is today.

I am shooting with my 1DXII. I am fine with the stills as well as the video part. Wish it had clog. I am retaining my 1DXII. I will not be immediately buying a 1DXIII unless there is specific client requirement or a project requirement. I buy only after testing cameras. My C300 Mark I still earns me happy clients and money. Shooting with C300 Mark I since dec 2012. :kiss:

 

[AndreeOnline]

There are lot of gears to turn for great image quality.

Most of which are turned out of alignment attributable to user error.

And interestingly, the middle segment is probably the most sensitive to that. Proper, more expensive production cameras are 'typically' handled by more accomplished users. They likely also have a budget to shape the scene a bit.
Some of the entry level cameras are used by users that don't have the budget, but the might have the hunger and tenacity to "prove" something, plus the necessary drive to execute on that ending up punching above their weight.

The middle segment is where some start to think that they're finally using 'proper' gear and are mislead to mistake that for cushion against mediocrity.

The camera merely stipulates some technical aspects like: resolution, encoding of light, type of codec and so on. That's why a skilled user can make a movie with an iPhone and a more carefree user would fail equally fast even if they shot on the Alexa 65.

Great looking footage from a camera is proof of that camera being able to produce beautiful pictures under the right circumstances. But shitty looking footage is not proof that a certain camera will always deliver poor imagery.

 

[AndreeOnline]

...anyone whom has extensive experience with a 1DX Mark II cannot possibly justify this $6500 upgrade for pure image quality.

I think WiFi to quickly send photos to iPad/iPhone and reliable eye focus already seals the deal.

Usability always wins out for me.

 

[NorBro]

You're their perfect customer, that's what they want.

 

[Samuel H]

the current canonrumors.com narrative

Camera rumor sites are fan sites: for months they talk about what they want or hope for, with pure guesswork disguised as if they had any actual information about it. Only around five days before the announcement they actually get some leaked pics, and then some specs that progressively adjust and become accurate just before the officlal release.

 

[AndreeOnline]

You're their perfect customer, that's what they want.

I have no significant objection to that. Best case scenario for company—customer relationship is some sort of symbiosis. Company and Customer should want the same thing. It shouldn't be a fight.

As the company becomes complacent, customers leave.

It simply becomes a question of knowing what's important for oneself. If you don't know that, it's easy to fall in the trap of listening to other people. And then people start watching "reviews" that are rarely little more than comparing lists of bullet points; they with more points win—regardless what the points represent.

 

[Bassman2003]

I do not know what to think of the RAW video feature. I guess Canon RAW Light requires more processing power than just uncompressed RAW. Everybody wants more image info and post flexibility but at 5 min for a 64GB card, I can't see many of the intended audience using it. I would think this type of camera would fit with a smaller form of RAW that was a bit more user storage space friendly.

Truly great to see this being implemented in the hybrid segment though. "You want RAW? I'll show you RAW..."

 

[DLD]

I agree with all of that, but the current canonrumors.com narrative is that a high pixel R body is to be announced relatively soon, and then a true pro level R is to be announced closer to the end of the year. The high MP and the pro R are to be two different cameras.

So what is expected of the "pro level R"? Is it going to be in a C 100, 200, 300 - pick one - class or is it going to be a 1DX MKIII clone? I'd say it will be C100 MKIII videocentric model for ~ $4,500, without CRL but with HEVC 6K. And its body will be in a C-form rather that EOS R's.