Canon 1D C review, and a lot of footages

Thank you for all of the great tests and review. Did you have a chance to compare the 1DC in S35 mode to the C300? I'm curious to know if they look the same when shooting in S35.
 
I'm amazed at how much the highlights change (blowout) when changing from c-log to rec709, I suppose this is somewhat normal. Idk
 
hammerhorror said:
Thank you for all of the great tests and review. Did you have a chance to compare the 1DC in S35 mode to the C300? I'm curious to know if they look the same when shooting in S35.
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S35 mode uses the ALL-I, or the IPB compression, so I didn't like them very much:)
I'm sure the C300 is better, of you use the 1Dc in cropped mode.
 
huski said:
S35 mode uses the ALL-I, or the IPB compression, so I didn't like them very much:)
I'm sure the C300 is better, of you use the 1Dc in cropped mode.
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All of the samples I have seen of the 1DC in S35 mode have looked fantastic. Hopefully someone will do a direct comparison.
 
Nice peek. Great for whetting client appetites. Vey nice layout. Makes all the other reviews difficult to read.
 
huski said:
S35 mode uses the ALL-I, or the IPB compression, so I didn't like them very much:)
I'm sure the C300 is better, of you use the 1Dc in cropped mode.
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There is a spot in the review where the 1d-c is compared to the c300 (shot of old car). The c300 has a zeiss at f2.8 and the 1d-c has a canon at f2.8, I wonder if the sharpness difference is a testament to the lensses or the cameras. Circumstantially, I'd assume it was the Zeiss out resolving the Canon.

Also, I like the idea of a quad HD resolution and aspect ratio, for those shooting for multiple formats, ie mastering to HD but archiving in 4k.
 
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I might have missed it, but there's nothing in the review that says that you shouldn't use the camera at less than ISO400, when in 4K + C-log mode, it causes banding and loss of DR as Philip Bloom found out the hard way.
 
James0b57 said:
There is a spot in the review where the 1d-c is compared to the c300 (shot of old car). The c300 has a zeiss at f2.8 and the 1d-c has a canon at f2.8, I wonder if the sharpness difference is a testament to the lensses or the cameras. Circumstantially, I'd assume it was the Zeiss out resolving the Canon.

Also, I like the idea of a quad HD resolution and aspect ratio, for those shooting for multiple formats, ie mastering to HD but archiving in 4k.
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That was definiately the lens..sadly. That was one of our first tests, and I though that the C300 is sharper. But then we did another comparison with the 50mm/85mm, and they were equally sharp.
Also I think the 1Dc doesn't apply any sharpening in-camera for the 4K footage, so it might need a touch of sharpness in post.
 
Kolor-Pikker said:
I might have missed it, but there's nothing in the review that says that you shouldn't use the camera at less than ISO400, when in 4K + C-log mode, it causes banding and loss of DR as Philip Bloom found out the hard way.
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haven't seen banding, but the 1D C manual tells something about the DR:
"When Canon Log gamma is set, dynamic range will be approx. 800% at ISO 320 or higher"
"Also, noise may be decreased when you shoot at ISO speed lower than ISO 320 (even though the dynamic range will be narrowed"

So yes, maybe ISO 320 is the Base sensitivity for the sensor, but we don't know it for sure.
 
I had the chance to work with the 1DC yesterday on a corporate shoot and coming from mainly using "video cams" I had to say using the 1DC was awesome. I really liked the image straight out of the camera which was important since all editing had to be done on-site as well immediately after shooting. I found it matched really great with a 5D in the same settings.
 
starcentral said:
I had the chance to work with the 1DC yesterday on a corporate shoot and coming from mainly using "video cams" I had to say using the 1DC was awesome. I really liked the image straight out of the camera which was important since all editing had to be done on-site as well immediately after shooting. I found it matched really great with a 5D in the same settings.
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Have you used it in 4K mode by the chance?
 
Kolor-Pikker said:
I might have missed it, but there's nothing in the review that says that you shouldn't use the camera at less than ISO400, when in 4K + C-log mode, it causes banding and loss of DR as Philip Bloom found out the hard way.
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Hmm, do you have a link? Similar findings were true on the D800, but most likely for different reasons. 8bit 8 bit 8 bit. cough. I hate 8bit, but not as much as 6bit. 8bit at least gets us in the ball park. I can't believe the C300 is 8bit.
 
huski said:
haven't seen banding, but the 1D C manual tells something about the DR:
"When Canon Log gamma is set, dynamic range will be approx. 800% at ISO 320 or higher"
"Also, noise may be decreased when you shoot at ISO speed lower than ISO 320 (even though the dynamic range will be narrowed"

So yes, maybe ISO 320 is the Base sensitivity for the sensor, but we don't know it for sure.
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Based on Canon recent DxO mark scores, the trend is showing a DR peak around the 400 mark. Losing about a stop of DR near iso100 and decaying slower than Nikons, meeting them at iso1600 and surpassing them at iso6400. This is not important for most cinema shooting, but for a natural light shooter like me, it is nice to know that my DR is more predictable. The D800 at iso100 has 14.4stops DR, but by iso2000 it is closer to 10stops. Which actually isn't bad either, since light ratios are not always as big at night. (disclaimer, I am talking about the raw results, not video mode, of course the D800 acts differently in video mode, but the basic concept of losing DR is not abnormal for any camera.)
 
huski said:
Have you used it in 4K mode by the chance?
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It wasn't my camera and I only got to use it for this one shoot. But I will definitely try 4k out with it next time. It's impressive that the 1080p footage (downscaled from 4k sensor) matched the 5D so well,.. I can't get over that.
 
huski said:
That was definiately the lens..sadly. That was one of our first tests, and I though that the C300 is sharper. But then we did another comparison with the 50mm/85mm, and they were equally sharp.
Also I think the 1Dc doesn't apply any sharpening in-camera for the 4K footage, so it might need a touch of sharpness in post.
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Thank you.

At 4k, I can deal with no sharpening. Haha. Part of the reason I have never liked HD is the false sharpening that so often takes place. It pops, but at a cost, imho.

Back in the day I hated the way miniDV looked until it was on a CRT or projector. Creamy beauty.

Though, I am not advocating blurriness. The 5dmk3 is a bit too soft for HD. I like the soft aesthetic of a 5D3, but would never buy it as an HD camera.

4k is somewhat best of both worlds. Creamy and detailed. I love the look of the new retina displays, and many of these small high def devices (even the smallHD DP6, though 6bit was a drag).

HD has always had a 'make imperfections' look worse, not real look to it. Yes, I am exaggerating, and there is a lot of beautiful HD content that would not be possible in SD.
 
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starcentral said:
It wasn't my camera and I only got to use it for this one shoot. But I will definitely try 4k out with it next time. It's impressive that the 1080p footage (downscaled from 4k sensor) matched the 5D so well,.. I can't get over that.
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mk2 or mk3?

and are you saying the 5d is awesome, or that being able to match A and B cams is a delight?
 
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