cameraman got ebola

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David Saraceno said:
Also spread when coming in contact with someone's sweat.
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I had read that that has only been suggested. Looks like the CDC disagrees with the research or is being overly cautious.

It's most abundant in blood and diarrhea. So maybe he contracted it from not washing his hands after unwittingly shaking hands with someone who was infected. Makes one think about how we all should be careful with our hands before we have an opportunity to clean them. On airplanes, I bring a small bottle of hand disinfectant and use it often.
 
Jordan_S said:
I see. So if he decided to go to a hooker one night, that was also "in the course of his work"?
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Are you actually suggesting that an experienced 33 year old freelance network cameraman would be (stupid/careless/horny) enough
to have unprotected sex in the one region of the planet with an epidemic of one of the most deadly viruses known and when his assignment is to cover said epidemic?

Seriously???

Do you also think he walks into tornadoes, stands up during firefights and climbs antennas during lightning storms?
 
Jordan_S said:
He may even expose without zebras.

My point is that it's not easy to catch it. It is not airborne.
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HOW DO YOU KNOW? You may be a professional in the video world, but you don't know squat about Ebola or infectious diseases. My day job is in cancer research, I'm an epidemiologist and worked on the AIDS epidemic back in the day it took off.

Have you seen how those hazmat personnel were dressed while they were cleaning the apartment where the Liberian was? They're wearing impervious suits and particulate respirators with not a square inch of skin exposed. Why are they wearing respirators? Because it's already known that lots of health care personnel in Africa have become infected while wearing only plain surgical/face masks.

Particles can go right through them. In an environment in a third world country, the dust you breath on the street contains all kinds of s*%t, literally--pathogens dry and go air borne and you breath in crap and worse.

Have you ever been to a hospital where they treat Ebola patients? They assume that infectious material can get aerosolized so respirators and full protection is mandatory, and then everything that made ANY contact with anything in the room has to be handled and treated as if the virus may get airborne, ie, everything is bag as sealed by people wearing respirators.

Ebola outbreaks in the past were always very limited and burned out by themselves. It's obvious that something has changed dramatically because they have an out of control outbreak that could wipe out millions. There is NO way to screen for early infection.

Unlike AIDS which was very simple to control (just don't have sex and if you use IV drugs, clean the needles with bleach). With Ebola, as long as people can leave the locations where the disease in occurring, it will get out. As more human cases occur, the chances are that the virus will mutate and select strains that are more easily transmissible and this will spread the disease even more.

The fact that doctors and other health workers are dropping like flies in Africa tells you that it is probably very easy to become infected by Ebola.

At my teaching and research hospital, if an Ebola case shows up it's going to be a BIG deal and you won't see people entering the room wearing plain old masks. With AIDS patients there was very little to worry about except for needle stick injuries.

The CDC PANICKED American into thinking that any one was at risk of getting AIDS back in the late 1980s. Well this was just baloney. The disease has never left the orginal risk groups--homosexual and bisexual men, iv drug users, and the sexual partners of iv drug users. The rest of the population has virtually no risk.

With Ebola, the CDC is going around telling people that it's very hard to become infected and then when an Ebola patient shows up, the maximum protection SOPs go into effect. The CDC and government are obviously not be truthful about the risks. Ebola is MUCH worse than HIV and it can easily take off in America. Even if it doesn't, it's going to consume a huge amount of medical resources.

You would have to be foolish to go to Ebola affected countries today. Sending the military is just asking for trouble since they are not trained nor equipped to deal with something like Ebola.

HIV/AIDS is a minor problem compared to what Ebola is capable of doing. The CDC response so far has been pathetic.
 
Jordan_S said:
He may even expose without zebras.

My point is that it's not easy to catch it. It is not airborne.
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Tell that to the 3000 people who have died so far in Western Africa and to the communities terrorised by having Ebola on their doorstep.

Tell that to the patients sitting in isolation wards and to the medical staff who don rubber suits everyday and try and contain the outbreak.

A fellow professional is dying due to catching a disease whilst going about his business and all you can do is make moralistic judgements and silly jokes about a situation you so clearly no nothing about. I've filmed in that region a number of times. He could have caught the disease in any number of a ways; there are often open sewers; raw meat is sold openly on the street; he could have just shaken hands with an infected person to name just a few. I'm sure you're a nice guy, but your attitude in this thread is repugnant.
 
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Jordan_S said:
So maybe he contracted it from not washing his hands after unwittingly shaking hands with someone who was infected.
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Liam Hall said:
He could have caught the disease in any number of a ways; there are often open sewers; raw meat is sold openly on the street; he could have just shaken hands with an infected person to name just a few. I'm sure you're a nice guy, but your attitude in this thread is repugnant.
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You've reiterated my point but yet labeled my "attitude" repugnant.

You are stating that someone can catch ebola by walking past raw meat on the street or from open sewers. Well then you need to also state that you disagree with the CDC and that you think ebola is airborne. I have not read this. Please illuminate us.

I have made no "moralistic judgement," as you purport. I merely suggested that he probably wasn't infected in the course of his work. Your conclusion about that is just as weak as your assertions about ebola being airborne.

Please read more carefully.
 
In the course of his work it would be natural to touch things (open a door, move an object, shake a hand) which had been recently contaminated. It only takes a single such misstep to lead to an infection. I haven't heard about aerosol as a vector of infection, but it makes sense under some conditions.
 
Jordan_S said:
You are stating that someone can catch ebola by walking past raw meat on the street or from open sewers. Well then you need to also state that you disagree with the CDC and that you think ebola is airborne. I have not read this. Please illuminate us.
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No I'm not. I'm stating that there are often open sewers and raw meat in the street and therefore quite easy to come into contact with the infectious disease. If you read your own link it states feces and bushmeat as a means of transmission.

You said he probably didn't get the disease during the course of his work. You suggested he may have slept with a hooker. Those are ill judged and disrespectful comments in my book.
 
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Liam Hall said:
You said he probably didn't get the disease during the course of his work. You suggested he may have slept with a hooker. Those are ill judged and disrespectful comments in my book.
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It's a simple matter of logic that a cameraman would more likely come into contact with blood and feces in his off-hours than during work. So the argument is that because he is there for work, then everything he does is work-related? Rubbish. If you'll read the hooker question post, you'll see that you've taken it out of context; it was a random question to raise a point.

Sometimes exploring possibilities means stating ideas that may be "ill-judged and disrespectful," according to Liam Hall. Does that mean we don't utter them? Is there a prohibition? What's the purpose of this thread? Just to say, "Oh man, that's awful"?

I'm sorry that you are easily disturbed by ideas that do not begin with the assumption that cameramen only catch diseases in the course of their work. It is my assertion that the assumption is a false one and it's my right, without being labeled disrespectful, to raise such questions. Everyone does not need to walk on tiptoes in order not to disturb your world-view.
 
Jordan_S said:
It's a simple matter of logic that a cameraman would more likely come into contact with blood and feces in his off-hours than during work.
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No it's not. Have you shot in that region? I have, many times. During my off-hours I'm usually in a smart hotel or restaurant, not crawling around in a slum trying to get a shot. You can't just make things up to suit your argument.

Jordan_S said:
So the argument is that because he is there for work, then everything he does is work-related? Rubbish. If you'll read the hooker question post, you'll see that you've taken it out of context; it was a random question to raise a point.
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Maybe it was taken out of context, but it's still ill judged and disrespectful in my opinion.

Jordan_S said:
I'm sorry that you are easily disturbed by ideas that do not begin with the assumption that cameramen only catch diseases in the course of their work.
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I'm not easily disturbed, I'm quite thick skinned thank you, and I'm not bothered by your straw man attack on me. I just think you should show a little compassion for a fellow professional who is in a spot of bother. I'm guessing you won't but such is life.
 
Alright, folks. Let's take a step back here and return to calmer discussion on-topic and without the personal attacks.
 
Back to the discussion consistent with Alex's warnings.

Any more posts off the topic will result in deleted posts or the thread, or being banned from the thread.

Last warning.

Thank you.
 
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