C500/300/100 all have the same sensor and processor??

alex1

alex1

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So the biggest change between these cameras is not the sensor or the processor, but instead the big changes are the firmware and some of the external hardware?

This isnt the case is it? Am I missing something?
 
There's a lot more hardware at play inside those cameras than just a sensor and processor. Even though they share those two components, there are many other internal hardware differences that keep them from performing at the same level.
 
cowpunk52 said:
There's a lot more hardware at play inside those cameras than just a sensor and processor. Even though they share those two components, there are many other internal hardware differences that keep them from performing at the same level.
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Sorry, these threads are like instructions on a shampoo bottle. Seemingly completely unnecessary, but still show up. Anyways, I applaud your considerate answer. You sir, are a gentleman.
 
Not the same sensor.

The C100 and the C300 use the same QuadHD resolution sensor at 3840x2160. The C500 uses a 4k sensor at 4096x2160.

Whether or not they same processing hardware, I don't know. I guess it could technically be the same processing hardware, and the firmware is different. I don't think it is though. I am guessing the C100/C300 might have the same processing hardware, but different firmware, but not the C500.
 
atarijedi said:
Not the same sensor.

The C100 and the C300 use the same QuadHD resolution sensor at 3840x2160. The C500 uses a 4k sensor at 4096x2160.

Whether or not they same processing hardware, I don't know. I guess it could technically be the same processing hardware, and the firmware is different. I don't think it is though. I am guessing the C100/C300 might have the same processing hardware, but different firmware, but not the C500.
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Actually, they do all share the same sensor - the C500 just uses a wider active pixel area than the C300 and C100. All three cameras use the Digic DV III processor. If you check each of their product pages on the Canon USA website, under "Specifications" you'll see that they all use a sensor with total pixels of 4206 x 2340, or approximately 9.84 MP.

And at the CinemaEOS product page, you'll see that they all use the Digic DV III Image Processor: http://cinemaeos.usa.canon.com/products.php?type=Cameras

This information was recently confirmed to me on two days ago at Createasphere by a senior development leader of the US CinemaEOS team.
 
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James0b57 said:
Sorry, these threads are like instructions on a shampoo bottle. Seemingly completely unnecessary, but still show up. Anyways, I applaud your considerate answer. You sir, are a gentleman.
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Just doin' my best to fight the FUD! We were all there once, right?
 
maranfilms said:
Why would he be anything but, cowpunks always a gentleman. And whats the problem with the op asking a legit question? In otherwords, why the degrading response?
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I really meant thanks to Cowpunk52. And I didn't realize my posts were degrading.
 
cowpunk52 said:
Actually, they do all share the same sensor - the C500 just uses a wider active pixel area than the C300 and C100. All three cameras use the Digic DV III processor. If you check each of their product pages on the Canon USA website, under "Specifications" you'll see that they all use a sensor with total pixels of 4206 x 2340, or approximately 9.84 MP.

And at the CinemaEOS product page, you'll see that they all use the Digic DV III Image Processor: http://cinemaeos.usa.canon.com/products.php?type=Cameras

This information was recently confirmed to me on two days ago at Createasphere by a senior development leader of the US CinemaEOS team.
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So that means the C500, when doing 4k, is shooting larger than Super35.
 
cowpunk52 said:
Actually, they do all share the same sensor - the C500 just uses a wider active pixel area than the C300 and C100. All three cameras use the Digic DV III processor. If you check each of their product pages on the Canon USA website, under "Specifications" you'll see that they all use a sensor with total pixels of 4206 x 2340, or approximately 9.84 MP.
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I haven't seen anything about this, so pardon if this question has been beaten to death like a $2 horse already, but if you record footage via HDMI out on the C100 to a high-end recorder (such as the Pix220/240) would you get a comparable end-result to what natively comes out of the C300?
 
Gary Huff said:
I haven't seen anything about this, so pardon if this question has been beaten to death like a $2 horse already, but if you record footage via HDMI out on the C100 to a high-end recorder (such as the Pix220/240) would you get a comparable end-result to what natively comes out of the C300?
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In short - yes.
 
Talking strictly numbers.
2K (2048x1080 or 2.2 megapixels) and 4K (4096x2160 or 8.8 megapixels)

Once you add an RGGB filter to an 8.8mp sensor, it essentially becomes a crisp 2k color image.

That would mean the C500 4k is uprezed 2k.

There have been arguments that Red MX with it's bayer pattern 14mp sensor does not produce true 4k. (there is some cropping at the s35 size) It will be interesting to see the new Canon's results. But for the next couple years it won't really matter, as there is very limited 4k screenings and displays. Memo to self: Will have to get a MPBRetina and watch it from 2 inches away.
 
James0b57 said:
That would mean the C500 4k is uprezed 2k.
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I see where your coming from here, but interpolated 4k from an 8.8MP sensor will still give you more resolution information than uprezzed 2k. While it won't be as detailed as, say, a monochromatic sensor that requires no debayering, it should still give you about 75 - 80% of the sensors native resolution. To get "true" 4k, you'd need significant oversampling combined with smart debayering and compression (or a sensor that works like how the C300 produces 1080p).
 
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