C300: C300 mkii - Sigma Cine vs Canon Cine

New_Zealand

New_Zealand

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Sigma Cine lens T2 18-35mm - 50-100mm vs Canon Cine lens T4 18-80mm Servo - 70-200mm Servo. Using on the C300 MKII
 
The Sigma 50-100 has an extraordinary amount of breathing if you change focus during shots. Of course the Canon lenses let you servo zoom. The Canons are much slower but have IS and the AF will work better/faster than the Sigmas in certain situations like run & gun. OTOH, the Sigmas are sharp and look great.
I don't think either are a bad choice, just depends on how you shoot. If it's run and gun, the Canons are better. For tripod mounted or gimbal, the Sigmas work well but the lack of IS makes them trickier for handheld.
 
I have the art versions of the Sigma lenses as well as the Servo Zooms. I have a hard time justifying the Sigma Cine lenses since they don't have a backfocus adjustment. My Art versions are extremely close to parfocal, though. The Sigma lenses come out when I am working a low lit event or really need the lower depth of field. Otherwise, the Canon cine zooms live on my cameras. If I need an f/2.8, I use my Canon L zooms rather than the Sigma zooms. The Sigma's are great lenses other than the breathing on the 50-100, but I would still rather use my Canon lenses rather than use the Sigmas stopped down.
 
I've worked with both the still/ART and the Cine versions of the Sigma zooms, and the Canon 70-200 (both f4 and the FANTASTIC f2.8), but not the Canon 18-80. I own the Sigma ART 18-35 and have rented the ART 50-100 (and rented a few versions of the Canon 70-200 lenses). Seems like with the still/ART Sigma 50-100, using the Sigma USB dock to make some fine adjustments to the lense's focus is worthwhile. And the breathing is an issue, but the AF with a C300mkII is pretty good, and in lots of situations, normal people (ie- those not on dvxuser :cheesy:) don't seem to notice or at least don't seem to care... And your shots will probably be in focus. With the Cine versions the few times I've been around them, I was rolling sound, but the key thing was there was always a good, experienced AC who also pulled focus... And things looked good.

Bottom line: If the camera department is one person, the still/ART version of the Sigmas are a better way to go than the Cine versions. But if you'll have a good AC who'll be pulling focus, then the Cine lenses might be worth the extra cost, at least if you're renting.

That's my take.... and basically applies in general to OMB = still photography lenses, Operator+AC = maybe Cine lenses.

Let us know what ends up working for you.
 
what would be a fair price for a almost new Canon CN-E 70-200mm SERVO lens. I've seen new ones at $5k and used one around $4k

I did pick up a used Canon 24-105mm.
 
New_Zealand said:
what would be a fair price for a almost new Canon CN-E 70-200mm SERVO lens. I've seen new ones at $5k and used one around $4k

I did pick up a used Canon 24-105mm.
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The 70-200 is not nearly as popular as the 18-80 largely owing to those of us who already own the EF 70-200 f/2.8 IS II or II still lens that is faster, looks just as good just doesn't have servo zoom.
I wouldn't pay more than $3,300.00 with the grip personally and $3k would be a deal. Apocalypse pricing.
 
The current still version, the Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS III, is available for $1800 new. The previous (and perfectly fine) II version runs about $1000 to $1300 used.

Following on Dan's comment, if you don't need the servo zoom, and money's sort of tight (or you still have other stuff to buy/rent), why not use the still lens and have $2000 to $3000 to spare?
 
you got a good point there. how much quality difference is it between the Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS III from the Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS II besides price? Thanks
 
also if I pick one up is there a big differences between the USA vs International Model? or is it just the warranty?
 
New_Zealand said:
you got a good point there. how much quality difference is it between the Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS III from the Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS II besides price? Thanks
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Most of what I read after the v3 was introduced indicated there was no discernible difference in optical quality between the two.
 
Run&Gun said:
Most of what I read after the v3 was introduced indicated there was no discernible difference in optical quality between the two.
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Don't quote me, but I think I saw where there was a difference, not sure if it was contrast, ghosting etc. I think I was significant but I wouldn't replace a II with a III unless you researched the difference, and had much reason to benefit from the improvement.
 
Stills2HDConvert said:
Don't quote me, but I think I saw where there was a difference, not sure if it was contrast, ghosting etc. I think I was significant but I wouldn't replace a II with a III unless you researched the difference, and had much reason to benefit from the improvement.
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Yes, the f/2.8 v2 vs v3 biggest (optical) differences are the new coatings which help reduce flare(which can effect contrast). Now when they updated the f/4 version at the same time, it was a significant upgrade. But if you own a fully functioning 2.8 v2, there is really no reason to spend the money to switch to a v3.
 
If I had both the Canon CN-E 70-200mm Servo AND the Canon 70-200mm III on a tripod, filming the same exact scene. Will I be able to tell the differences between the two footage when I look at them?
 
New_Zealand said:
If I had both the Canon CN-E 70-200mm Servo AND the Canon 70-200mm III on a tripod, filming the same exact scene. Will I be able to tell the differences between the two footage when I look at them?
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Yes. First, the CN-E lens is only f/4. Second, the coating on the CN-E is slightly different and results in a slightly more yellow cast. Third, the CN-E will hold the focus distance better if you are zooming while focusing.
 
New_Zealand said:
If I had both the Canon CN-E 70-200mm Servo AND the Canon 70-200mm III on a tripod, filming the same exact scene. Will I be able to tell the differences between the two footage when I look at them?
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You? Yes, as CP says.

Your audience? Only if the shot and story are really boring at that point. :-)
 
For a few minutes this morning, CR and CW had some design patent renders of a new Extension Unit, presumably for the C300 Mark III. I wish I'd screenshotted them before they disappeared. If accurate/true, they would indicate that the new camera has no built-in XLR's (not really a change from previous iterations, so that's not the largest of surprises), as the EU adds 4 XLR -- two on the operator's side (with controls) and two on the back (with controls on the dumb side).

The speed with which these got taken down from both sites might indicated that they got a call from Canon Legal.........or that they were a hoax :-) although they seemed pretty polished and consistent with canon's design signature for these cameras.
 
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