C300: C300 M2 Raw external recording.

[Rayden]

Has anyone here experimented with Raw external recording? There is not much info or video content out there regarding raw output from this camera. Other than the Odyssey 7q+, what other recorder options are available?

 

[Macaholic]

Codex and Odyssey 7Q are the only recorders I know of that can actually record RAW data in .rmf.

The Atomos gear has been promising .dng for a while but I don't think that ever came to fruition.

The VideoDevices and AJA gear are strictly ProRes.

I get about 28 minutes per 512GB on my Odyssey in RAW, keep in mind it's a zero compression RAW compared to RED's 3:1 or 6:1. But I did the math and end up at about 2,600Mb/s compared to the internal rate of 410Mb/s.

Only time I would really consider RAW is for heavy VFX work where all that data is necessary. The internal compression is so good I usually rely on that.

 

[mraaron895]

I've been very impressed with how much more I can push raw footage over the internally shot footage. Internal is good to begin with, but RAW does have a noticeable advantage

 

[Macaholic]

I've been very impressed with how much more I can push raw footage over the internally shot footage.

Aaron I'm curious where are you debayering the footage? Using Canon's RAW Development software or DaVinci? If Canons - what are you exporting in?

 

[IanTheM]

The camera does 10-bit white balanced RAW, right? Is it linear?

 

[Macaholic]

The camera does 10-bit white balanced RAW, right? Is it linear?

It is 10 Bit with white balance and ISO baked in but still encoded in Canon Log 2, and only Canon Log 2.

 

[Rayden]

Codex and Odyssey 7Q are the only recorders I know of that can actually record RAW data in .rmf.

The Atomos gear has been promising .dng for a while but I don't think that ever came to fruition.

The VideoDevices and AJA gear are strictly ProRes.

I get about 28 minutes per 512GB on my Odyssey in RAW, keep in mind it's a zero compression RAW compared to RED's 3:1 or 6:1. But I did the math and end up at about 2,600Mb/s compared to the internal rate of 410Mb/s.

Only time I would really consider RAW is for heavy VFX work where all that data is necessary. The internal compression is so good I usually rely on that.

28 mins per 512gb with the c300m2 and 7Q+??

 

[Kantian1]

Where did you hear that Atomos have given up on CinemaDNG?

 

[Macaholic]

Where did you hear that Atomos have given up on CinemaDNG?

Never heard that - or said that - just said I don't think it has happened yet, it's hard to decipher some of their press releases because they often combine announcements for support of different cameras.

The Atomos gear has been promising .dng for a while but I don't think that ever came to fruition.

28 mins per 512gb with the c300m2 and 7Q+??

Yep - pretty beefy!

 

[Kantian1]

I've asked them numerous times on Twitter, never get a response. I guess they are running behind on the development.

 

[Rayden]

So the atomos products would potentially debayer and convert the canon raw to dng? Sorry for the newb questions. I am totally new to the raw workflow.

 

[Macaholic]

So the atomos products would potentially debayer and convert the canon raw to dng? Sorry for the newb questions. I am totally new to the raw workflow.

That's been the promise. Currently, to my knowledge, all the Atomos products will do is take Canon RAW and convert it to ProRes HQ or DNxHD.

However, the biggest issue I have with the Shogun right now is that if I'm shooting 4K DCI (not UHD) I can't letterbox my frame. It does a 16:9 crop and I have to drag the frame left and right with my finger on the screen to see the extra parts of frame. So there literally is no way to see your entire frame on the Shogun when shooting 4K DCI. Again, this is just since the last time I used it about a month ago.

It's so hard to keep up with all these manufactures firmware updates. Even the Odyssey updates are sort of ambiguous on which cameras now support what formats.