briceman "A Price Too High"

Kholi said:
See what happens when you state your opinion and the reasons behind it? You get people like this taking stabs at your "opinion".

Pft. And others on this board wonder why they don't get comments.

Brice took his criticism well. He didn't need you to jump in and pat his back. He's a man, I'd like to think.
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You can dish out criticism but you obviously hate to recieve them.

My statement was exaclty what briceman concluded from it. You can't please everyone. Maybe the short film wasn't for you. But in my case, I enjoyed it! It's just a difference of opinion. It was in no way to "stab you in the back". But if that's how you took it, then please forgive me. I go to this forum to learn and encourage fellow members, not to stab them in the back.
 
g0ldenb0y55 said:
You can dish out criticism but you obviously hate to recieve them.

My statement was exaclty what briceman concluded from it. You can't please everyone. Maybe the short film wasn't for you. But in my case, I enjoyed it! It's just a difference of opinion. It was in no way to "stab you in the back". But if that's how you took it, then please forgive me. I go to this forum to learn and encourage fellow members, not to stab them in the back.
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You're not the type to really take time out to read, are you?

I think I said it TWICE in this thread already. Here's the THIRD time for you..

KHOLI LOVE'S CRITICISM AND HE ADORES NEGATIVE CRITICISM MORE THAN BACK-PATTING.

Do I need to state it more? Fine, you enjoyed it-- but don't try to down-play me just to make the guy feel better. Wtf. The world doesn't revolve around either our opinions, nor anyone elses here. I elaborated on what wasn't liked and that's that.
 
Okay, calm down dude. Take a chill pill. You think to highly of yourself bro. You've got major pride issues. I wonder how you are outside of this forum.
 
Did you have to phrase it as you did though? Of course you don't have to like the film, but to say "Someone provoked me to tell people why I used the little bar to skip through pieces."

and "didn't elaborate on cases because, frankly, I don't like giving criticism to works I think are bad."

It's incredibly disrespectful. Have some decency.
 
Put it like this--

When your parents and friends tell you that your film is "the best", then you go and try to show it to someone considered a professional, and they think it's tripe? How are you going to feel?

You call it disrespect and indecency, I call it "truth". I'm more than happy to have someone totally rip me a new eye-socket if I'm skimping or half-assing on something I consider my CRAFT.

Now that I know this is a community based on Back-patting, I'll make sure not to comment on things that I don't like.

=D Simple. I have Ginger Ale.
 
Kholi said:
Put it like this--

When your parents and friends tell you that your film is "the best", then you go and try to show it to someone considered a professional, and they think it's tripe? How are you going to feel?

You call it disrespect and indecency, I call it "truth". I'm more than happy to have someone totally rip me a new eye-socket if I'm skimping or half-assing on something I consider my CRAFT.

Now that I know this is a community based on Back-patting, I'll make sure not to comment on things that I don't like.

=D Simple. I have Ginger Ale.
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Ok, I hate saying this because it'll sound so "trying" probably, but whatever. I actually screened this film for a writer for the Washington Post, and she found it incredibly well done, and enjoyed the film and it's meaning a lot. Obviously this was the more extended version, but nonetheless, it was someone who is extrememly intelligent, and not one of my friends or family. Anyway, best of luck to ya!
 
Kholi--

No one's saying this is a community based on back-patting, the argument comes when people draw differing lines of tact. There are different ways to make the same points, and while you may think unvarnished hoensty is preferable, some people think it's important to focus on positives as well as negatives. People just respond better when they feel someone is being fair with them. No one says you can't criticize, but some people may find your comments less than constructive.

To be honest, I don't much mind what you said, and I'm sure Briceman can take it. What you said that *doeS* bother me, though, is that remark on not wanting to comment on things that are bad. I think, as a rule, negative criticism is the most useful kind, and I think the least we cna do for those who got out there and made a flick for us to see is try and help them improve.
 
Sorry to litter your thread, Brice, but I had already moved on past that. I should'nt have been replying here. I'm glad that the writer for the Washington Post enjoyed your work. I'm glad that everyone can formulate an opinion on anything they want.

My Favorite movie is Ghostbusters. =D And I KNOW that it's not a favorite of a LOT of people.

Keep doing what you're doing-- people like me aren't important at all.

I'm done.

briceman said:
Ok, I hate saying this because it'll sound so "trying" probably, but whatever. I actually screened this film for a writer for the Washington Post, and she found it incredibly well done, and enjoyed the film and it's meaning a lot. Obviously this was the more extended version, but nonetheless, it was someone who is extrememly intelligent, and not one of my friends or family. Anyway, best of luck to ya!
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Kholi said:
Sorry to litter your thread, Brice, but I had already moved on past that. I should'nt have been replying here. I'm glad that the writer for the Washington Post enjoyed your work. I'm glad that everyone can formulate an opinion on anything they want.

My Favorite movie is Ghostbusters. =D And I KNOW that it's not a favorite of a LOT of people.

Keep doing what you're doing-- people like me aren't important at all.

I'm done.
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Your comments did not fall on deaf ears, and I respect your opinion, you are important. You're a human being with an opinion :) thanks!
 
Yeah I know Brice can handle it. In fact, I think I was more concious of those people who would jump in to defend him when he can hold his own sword; and he did.

I'm maso... I like to be ripped into. I think that once you get ripped into enough on every point, you come out polished and indestructable. Well, that's if you survive it.

But that's just me.

Thanks for understanding.

Z B Brox said:
Kholi--

No one's saying this is a community based on back-patting, the argument comes when people draw differing lines of tact. There are different ways to make the same points, and while you may think unvarnished hoensty is preferable, some people think it's important to focus on positives as well as negatives. People just respond better when they feel someone is being fair with them. No one says you can't criticize, but some people may find your comments less than constructive.

To be honest, I don't much mind what you said, and I'm sure Briceman can take it. What you said that *doeS* bother me, though, is that remark on not wanting to comment on things that are bad. I think, as a rule, negative criticism is the most useful kind, and I think the least we cna do for those who got out there and made a flick for us to see is try and help them improve.
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g0ldenb0y55 said:
What is your CRAFT?
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Point made. You should read a bit more into things, you might find information that's detremental to making a valid, concrete and irrefutable arguement.

My signature states that I'm a screenwriter. Whether or not you can or want to hire me is another story.

We're all cool here... especially when we eat PBJ.
 
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I apologize to anyone who is subsribed to this thread or has read through it. I did not forsee this discussion (argument) happening. If we can get back to some true discussion and comments, that would be great! :) THanks!
 
Hey man, I was just trying to get under your skin a little. I did see screenwritter under your signature, it's just that you were out of the relms of screenwritting commenting on this short that I thought you were more than a screenwritter. You did state that the dialogue wasn't all that great but that came second to all your other comments about the piece. That's all.:)
Kholi said:
Point made. You should read a bit more into things, you might find information that's detremental to making a valid, concrete and irrefutable arguement.

My signature states that I'm a screenwriter. Whether or not you can or want to hire me is another story.

We're all cool here... especially when we eat PBJ.
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Hi, sorry if I'm repeating something that has been argued to death already...

I was just reading this thread and I decided to watch the film again.

I liked it a lot more the second time. The guy that plays 'Rodriguez' is really cool, he moves really well, he looks a bit sad, a lot serious and does the 'guy with a gun' thing in a way that seems real, or least very entertaining. He IS entertaining to watch. He 'behaves', he inhabits his character. There are lots of way to quantify this. I think you shot him and directed him in a way that is flattering to his strengths as an actor. His scenes are edited with good timing and rhythm. It's fun to watch him work.

The 'doctor' guy is a joke, however. Now, this is where the whole thing gets strange for me. You cut the doctor's performance so that there would be extra lag time after every sentence he speaks, 'framing' the boredom of his delivery. It's a like a worst case scenario... Bad acting, bad instincts, bad framing, bad editing. You shot him from below, an angle which makes people look lazy and fat. You directed him to have long pauses but no rhythm or tone changes, no unexpected surprises. This guy literally makes people walk away from the screen or fast-forward the video. His scenes are just boring.

So, that said, now we have these two 'opposites'...

We have this really cool guy who makes the movie really good when he's in frame and then this really boring guy who makes the movie really horrible when he's in frame. And both of their performances and the way that both are presented magnify greatly how good and bad they both are. They are literally presented in ways that make a cool actor 'super cool' and a boring actor 'super boring'.

So this, for me, makes the movie really strange to watch! I'm being pulled both ways. It's impossible to tell what you were thinking when you were filming this.

I think that you should just get the guy who played rodriguez and a woman who looks like someone he would go out with, put them together, and film them. She wants to have kids but he has to live the ruthless life of an X government operative or something, I dunno. You could have something all the way good on your hands.

Thanks for the film, it was a very interesting experience...!

Rodriguez forever!!
 
well finally got see them you be the first;good pro actor; hitman, good eyeline subtle seemed big on the screen, great act. the girl some good moments a little uneven at times but hey we're all learning, i think the doc was trying to be a little condescending to her character as sometimes doctors do, good choice but maybe more subtle, less of a smirk of the mouth more in the eyes, his office well too wherehouse look not like a shrinks office too cluttered, clear the space behind him. geesh i'm trying to remember.....oh at the end when the doc comes out maybe a little darkness then the hitman comes out of the shadows... i'm not much on tech stuff i'm just a stupid actor. good concept BRANDON! good writing in 6 mins. yeah baby you got a movie man! CONGRATS!
 
...just look at that face...Kimko definitely knows what the inside of a shrink's office looks like...
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...all too well
 
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kimko said:
well finally got see them you be the first;good pro actor; hitman, good eyeline subtle seemed big on the screen, great act. the girl some good moments a little uneven at times but hey we're all learning, i think the doc was trying to be a little condescending to her character as sometimes doctors do, good choice but maybe more subtle, less of a smirk of the mouth more in the eyes, his office well too wherehouse look not like a shrinks office too cluttered, clear the space behind him. geesh i'm trying to remember.....oh at the end when the doc comes out maybe a little darkness then the hitman comes out of the shadows... i'm not much on tech stuff i'm just a stupid actor. good concept BRANDON! good writing in 6 mins. yeah baby you got a movie man! CONGRATS!
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Thanks Kimko! By the way, great job on Callaghan's film! Loved your performance, real pro man! Thanks for the comment! Glad you enjoyed our film.
 
Matthew Bennett said:
Hi, sorry if I'm repeating something that has been argued to death already...

I was just reading this thread and I decided to watch the film again.

I liked it a lot more the second time. The guy that plays 'Rodriguez' is really cool, he moves really well, he looks a bit sad, a lot serious and does the 'guy with a gun' thing in a way that seems real, or least very entertaining. He IS entertaining to watch. He 'behaves', he inhabits his character. There are lots of way to quantify this. I think you shot him and directed him in a way that is flattering to his strengths as an actor. His scenes are edited with good timing and rhythm. It's fun to watch him work.

The 'doctor' guy is a joke, however. Now, this is where the whole thing gets strange for me. You cut the doctor's performance so that there would be extra lag time after every sentence he speaks, 'framing' the boredom of his delivery. It's a like a worst case scenario... Bad acting, bad instincts, bad framing, bad editing. You shot him from below, an angle which makes people look lazy and fat. You directed him to have long pauses but no rhythm or tone changes, no unexpected surprises. This guy literally makes people walk away from the screen or fast-forward the video. His scenes are just boring.

So, that said, now we have these two 'opposites'...

We have this really cool guy who makes the movie really good when he's in frame and then this really boring guy who makes the movie really horrible when he's in frame. And both of their performances and the way that both are presented magnify greatly how good and bad they both are. They are literally presented in ways that make a cool actor 'super cool' and a boring actor 'super boring'.

So this, for me, makes the movie really strange to watch! I'm being pulled both ways. It's impossible to tell what you were thinking when you were filming this.

I think that you should just get the guy who played rodriguez and a woman who looks like someone he would go out with, put them together, and film them. She wants to have kids but he has to live the ruthless life of an X government operative or something, I dunno. You could have something all the way good on your hands.

Thanks for the film, it was a very interesting experience...!

Rodriguez forever!!
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Thanks for the comment. For the doctor. I made the decision to have awkward pauses for his lines. I wanted that awkward feel to it. I mean, I have never experienced being to a psychiatrist, but I am sure it is extremely awkward. Anyway, that is why I made that desicion. Maybe it was the wrong one. I have to stick by it now though, what's done is done :) Thanks for the comment man!
 
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