BOOOOO! P2 Package Price Increase :(

Indeed. Maybe if we're lucky the "market" will fluxuate back into our favor. There's always time for price adjustments.
 
Pricing of any commodity sold in the free market is driven by the desire for profit.

The fact that something is popular may effect the price upward, this seems to be common practice.

Consider that if a purchaser of the HVX gains popularity for their work, they too may increase their selling price.

Sounds like the free market at work to me.
 
You guys can voice your opinions all you want, I dont work for Panasonic, DVXuser isnt owned by Panasonic and they dont advertise here... so you can say bad things if you want.

But, if you insult other members, like delaro just did, you get banned. Very clear on the rules.
 
khmuse said:
Pricing of any commodity sold in the free market is driven by the desire for profit. The fact that something is popular may effect the price upward, this seems to be common practice. Consider that if a purchaser of the HVX gains popularity for their work, they too may increase their selling price. Sounds like the free market at work to me.
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Not unlike what we're seeing with the XBOX 360 right now.

Conversely though, I'll be curious to see what happens if a majority of users move to the Firestore or Cineporter.
 
I can't believe so many of you are willing to pay the premium for P2. A friend of mine shot a little bit of footage with one of the cams on the floor with a 4gig P2 and it was amazing how quickly it filled up. I knew how short 1080p record times would be, (we shot 1080 and 720) but it's still kind of shocking to just let it roll a few times, and suddenly you've gotta swap again.

Yes, I know you can delete clips, but it just doesn't seem workable for anything but short-take, controlled filmmaking scenarios. A friend of mine has been contemplating shooting a doc with an HVX, and he's mulling all the different clip download scenarios (ipod-camera firewire host mode, laptop etc.) and it certainly doesn't look simple for a single shooter. I think the only viable solution (unless you have a camera assistant on hand) is the cineporter or Firestore. P2 is cool, but way too low capacity for the $. It seems to me they need to be at least 32GB capacity before it's not so much of a hassle for the shooter.
 
Jarred Land said:
um everyone.. the 4gb cards price dropped in half.. You should be happy.
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The basic fact is that Panasonic's price point uncertainty should be a private matter resolved in the board rooms, not a public affair adjusted over and over in sequential press releases. That's not good form, period.

No one feels "happy" because they are shown a lower price after a higher price, and then the lower price is raised. You might feel "happy" if the higher price is suddenly revealed as the not so low price. That's just human nature.

Doesn't change my purchase plans, but makes me shake my head.

Jim Arthurs
 
Yes.. I guess they could of lowered the price to $800 and then cut the $150 off each card in the package price to make the packages more attractive... People feel like they are getting a better deal buying the package and Panasonic ends up making more money... so that would of been a better way to go.

I think though, that Panasonic saw everyone complaining about the high price of P2 cards and needed to make an emergency manuever to sell them as cheap as they can to stomp the complaints. I think though we all win, package or no package. This way you can drop for the camera right off the top and buy the cards when you need them without a bigger initial investment via packages.

But.. none of this really matters, I am sure the Dealers will take the puck and slash a bit off packages, or make thier own packages.
 
Jim Arthurs said:
The basic fact is that Panasonic's price point uncertainty should be a private matter resolved in the board rooms, not a public affair adjusted over and over in sequential press releases. That's not good form, period.

No one feels "happy" because they are shown a lower price after a higher price, and then the lower price is raised. You might feel "happy" if the higher price is suddenly revealed as the not so low price. That's just human nature.

Doesn't change my purchase plans, but makes me shake my head.

Jim Arthurs
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I hear you.. it was an odd call, but, I think it needed to be done. Also, remember that the main ingredients of a P2 card's pricing (the SD cards) pricing is not controlled by Panasonic.. The old P2 pricing was from a very long time ago when the 2gb cards where just announced.
 
But.. none of this really matters, I am sure the Dealers will take the puck and slash a bit off packages, or make thier own packages.
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You are most certainly right. In the meantime it's nice to just vent some frustration with fellow panny patrons.
 
Elton said:
I can't believe so many of you are willing to pay the premium for P2. A friend of mine shot a little bit of footage with one of the cams on the floor with a 4gig P2 and it was amazing how quickly it filled up. I knew how short 1080p record times would be, (we shot 1080 and 720) but it's still kind of shocking to just let it roll a few times, and suddenly you've gotta swap again.

Yes, I know you can delete clips, but it just doesn't seem workable for anything but short-take, controlled filmmaking scenarios. A friend of mine has been contemplating shooting a doc with an HVX, and he's mulling all the different clip download scenarios (ipod-camera firewire host mode, laptop etc.) and it certainly doesn't look simple for a single shooter. I think the only viable solution (unless you have a camera assistant on hand) is the cineporter or Firestore. P2 is cool, but way too low capacity for the $. It seems to me they need to be at least 32GB capacity before it's not so much of a hassle for the shooter.
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I agree.. I would shoot a Doc on SD on P2, but at HD the Firestore makes so much more sense. It will be interesting to see how the adoption is in the Doc world, I think its a given for dramatic scripted content but who knows for those in the field things shooting HD (where P2 was born btw for News gathering)
 
Has anyone heard any plans for housing a FS on a HVX when doing real active field or Doc work?

Maybe some kind of third party peripheral add on that will safely attach a firestore to the HVX, while maintaining a sufficient enough balance for "run and gun" handheld situations? Then again maybe the Firestore's design and or weight takes these things into consideration. I can't say.
 
Pana might not control SD price - but they do control the P2 price.. till yesterday they were ready to sell it at $200 off (maybe at a thin/no margin) - but it does reflect on bad marketing to hike the price after its published all over the net...

particularly in light of all the good word of mouth publicity the internet community has offered them on HVX.... (and all the HDV bashing it invariably leads to ;)

I wish every corp has "do no evil (or dont be greedy)" policy like Google...
 
The fact remains that the price of these P2 cards is the one huge wild card in the HVX equation. ANd a huge gamble by Panasonic. The high prices of P2 have been discussed here for months now... But of course, the reality of of those prices are starting to hit home now that the camera is avalable.

Obviously, as more and more (amazing) footage rolls in, and the more we learn how to do creative workarounds, some of the sting of the high prices will be removed....

But the prices of those wonderfull little P2 cards is a little daunting right now, isn't it? Really want the camera, and can afford it - but still not sure exactly how much more I'll need to spend to make it "sing."

Know what I mean?

John
 
I'm still grappling with the cost of the P2's, but let's face it even at the elevated price if this camera does what it looks like it will do the P2's will still be a good deal all in all.

Will the price come down? Yes, and probably dramatically, but all things to. In a way this camera is more than just a new camera it's a tiny digital revolution and something revolutionary isn't going to be cheap. This is early adopting at a whole new level.

I just wish that the price on the 8 gig would have been closer to an old press release where they stated that the cards would be $1700 by Christmas time. I have been budgeting off that number.

Oh, well. Let's move on and get these cameras into eager hands.
 
Well it seems like only yesterday people were commenting on how Pansonic "couldn't do math" because their list prices didn't add up. Maybe they took notice and changed the pricing so that they didn't look like mathematical nincompoops! Anyway, the list prices aren't necessarily going to reflect what retailers will be selling them for. Street prices are always a whole different ballgame... except of course for those of you currently paying list price for pre-orders... you overpaying, but very lucky first buyers, you!
 
OK
I am very grateful to Jarred and Barry and all who have posted from the expo
and I am very impressed with Jan (& Panasonic) listening to these boards.
However,

1 - the lack of SEEING ANY FOOTAGE that is not displayed on a SMALL SCREEN or compressed for the web
2 - The lack of info about the CCD
3 - The fluxuating P2 price
4 - All constantly changing info and pricing on the Panny website

are WARNING Signs .

the Price of a managable solution with the HVX could be 6000$ but honestly is basically 8 - 10,000$

the price of the Canon H1 is 9,000$
Add a Firestore to that and it is 1,1000$
kinda the same ballpark
and I am actually hearing good things about Canon's 24p

Please dont misunderstand - I am not bitching - I want the HVX
I would like DVC PRO HD
I want the HVX but I am completely Puzzled.
Scared actually -
it just seems like something just isn't right
I think they have killed Tosh Bilowski to keep him from talking

I really want to get this camera... throw me a bone somebody please
 
Skrew Panasonic. This news really pisses me off. You don't list one price to a bunch of information hungry DVXusers like us who are planning on plunking down our savings on the new HVX then up your price just because you THINK people will pay for it. Skrew them. They may have a great camera here but they're not getting my money..
 
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