Bonds on Bonds

Well here's the problem with Bonds. He asked for this. After 20 years of being an a*$#f*uck to all the media and all his teammates, the first moment he finds himself truly in trouble and surprise surprise, he has no friends to turn to. Whether he's guilty or innocent, all these people that he was so cruel to over the years are getting their revenge. Had he paid them more respect, had he gone out of his way to be just a *little* nicer... he might've been able to get out of this. But people have been waiting for this moment for a long time. Same with guys like Sammy Sosa and Kareem-Abdul Jabbar (wants a head coaching job but no one will give him the time of day cause of what a dick he was). You guys were jerks, nobody's coming to your aid. If this isn't a ringing endorsement for being a kind person, I don't know what is. Sooner or later, it's going to catch up with you.

Oh, half the blame goes to Selig for this, for knowing baseball was juiced for 15 years and not doing a thing about it. It's funny, however, how one day ESPN just decided to make an issue out of it. It's like "Hmm, there's not much in the news right now. Baseball players have been taking steroids. Why don't we report on that." I remember watching baseball games 10 years ago and thinking, "Yeah, but all these guys are cheating. Why isn't anybody doing anything about it?" ESPN should be ashamed of itself. They knew too and only brought it up to drum up ratings for Sportscenter.

Everybody's guilty!
 
alveraz said:
I'm going to watch it. Put up all the asteriks you want. He's still the best player in the MLB, hands down. I think he's bagged 8 gold gloves and he's batting a .300 life avg, 708 aside. He's also the smartest batter to ever play the game. I'm in awe every time he's up to bat, and I've never seen anyone with a better eye.

Let the bashing floodgates open, I asked for it I guess, but I'll never be convinced otherwise.
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The best player playing the game today ?

Alex Rodriguez is the best player playing the game today

Player's I'd take over Bond's today:

Ichiro
Jeter
Pujols
Guerrero

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I also am in the camp of Rose exclusion.

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I have no love reserved for B Bonds; if only for the fact he has been such a prick his entire career. His legacy will forever be tainted.
 
Last night during openning day I made a point to my father (we have an openning day ritual, for any of you who haven't read 1000 posts of me talking about it).

Baseball refuses to go to Vegas because of gambling. Baseball has banned Pete Rose because of gambling. I understand this and agree with it. Baseball is at fault though. In 50% of all the baseball broadcasts MLB and their broadcast affiliates receive money from gambling operations. For example, on the YES (Yankees) Network, they broadcast a poker tournament that is sponsored by Poker.net. This is the same organization that owns SportsBetting.com. Fenway has a billboard advertising Fox Casino. The Mets received 12% of advertising revenue for their score book from Mohegan Sun casino. I could continue to go on and on, but there is a certain double standard that MLB has when it comes to gambling. If you are going to outlaw gambling, great, I have no problem with that. But, if you are going to out law gambling, then do it across the board and don't accept money from it.

Furthermore, when it comes to Bonds, don't claim him as this great player and reap the benefits from the horse sperm he is shooting up and then once it becomes public turn your back on the guy.

I believe what Barry did, what Sheffield, Giambi, Palmerio, and countless others have done is wrong (I listed Yankees, so you can't call me subjective). I believe the price they pay is an * in the records books, they do not get into another all star game, and they NEVER are admitted into the Hall of Fame. Beyond that, there should be a statute of limitations. Let's let it go, play ball, institute the drug testing, keep results on file so they can be future tested for HGH (Human Growth Horomone) and let's just play ball.

MLB is the real criminal, though. True, the players took advantage of the loop hole, but MLB built smaller stadiums and used the long ball explosion to get to record attendence and revenue records. If anyone should be saying "I'm Sorry" to the fans, it is really MLB. This double standard has gone on long enough, and for me, ''I'm mad as hell, and I'm not going to take it anymore" (as I ride this season out to Yankees Championship #27).

Good night, and good luck!

-Jeremy
 
You make some really good points, but I gotta disagree on a few...

Baseball never has nor never will have a problem with gambling per se IMO. It is too much of a cornerstone American vice (along with booze...hence why Prohibition was destined to fail.) What it does have a problem with is even the thought of its players gambling on ball games (especially those which they could influence the outcome of.)

Also, and i'm just asking the question (I'm not saying that there is an easy answer.) Is
an * in the records books, they do not get into another all star game, and they NEVER are admitted into the Hall of Fame
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enough to act as a deterrent for up-and-coming players?

In other words, wouldn't the promise of a bigger and better paycheck outweigh in their minds any asterisks put on records they might or might not break?

I would think they would still risk juicing up...consequences be damned (if the consequences at hand don't affect their bottom line.)
 
Yankee, exactly my point. EVERYONE was profitting off this. I think the worst culprit is ESPN though. Because whenever Bonds hit a home run in the 72 home run season, what was the lead story on Sportscenter? Bonds hits another home run. Drives up ratings. Ratings drive up advertising prices. ESPN gets rich. And you listen to the Sportscenter guys now and they're like "How could baseball not see the physical transformation in these guy's bodies ten years ago?" Uhhhh, apparently you didn't see it either when you were cashing those checks. Then, the next season, Bonds gets hurt. Sportscenter no longer has their 'Bonds chasing the record' lead story. They need another lead story to drum up ratings. Hmmm, wait a minute! How 'bout Bonds was on steroids during all these games. ESPN is such a hypocrite, making money on both ends of the mules ass (or however that saying goes). I mean does nobody else see this??
 
Actually, it would have been surprising had ESPN NOT covered Bonds' homeruns during his 73 homerun season. Regardless of rumors (at the time) it was still sports NEWS, which is what ESPN is supposed to do, as is his current situation with steroids.

EDIT: ESPN is really pissing me off with this whole Bonds on Bonds thing. They just ran clips from the show. If she had still been alive, I'll bet Bonds would have contracted Leni Riefenstahl to do this blatant piece of propaganda. Bonds, crying and playing the victim? With his history, that's just too ****ing much to take. And ESPN buying into the whole thing is just beyond comprehension.
 
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Baseball is a joke...i kinda think most of America is just sick of all of these tools - i know i am...they are by far the most overpaid professional "athletes", and they are playing a non-contact game that i personally don't see as a very impressive sport

personal opinions about baseball aside, professional athletes (especially those in a league) should consider themselves lucky to do what they do...if the average joe fails a drug test at work, he's fired...why should athletes be any different? use steroids once - fired, banned for life, whatever - no passes for anyone...this is the ONLY acceptable solution, and until baseball sets such guidelines it is a joke...it cannot be "America's Game" (outpaced by football anyways), it cannot be something for childeren to look up to, and i doubt it will be growing in viewership
 
OregonDank said:
Baseball is a joke...i kinda think most of America is just sick of all of these tools - i know i am...they are by far the most overpaid professional "athletes", and they are playing a non-contact game that i personally don't see as a very impressive sport

personal opinions about baseball aside, professional athletes (especially those in a league) should consider themselves lucky to do what they do...if the average joe fails a drug test at work, he's fired...why should athletes be any different? use steroids once - fired, banned for life, whatever - no passes for anyone...this is the ONLY acceptable solution, and until baseball sets such guidelines it is a joke...it cannot be "America's Game" (outpaced by football anyways), it cannot be something for childeren to look up to, and i doubt it will be growing in viewership
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If that is how you feel about baseball, that is fine. There are people who don't like the sport, find it boring, or don't understand it. Baseball is America. It is the single sport that links the history of this country back more than 100 years. It is the sport that brings fathers and sons together. It is the sport where a person who has been dead for more a half century can have impact on the game and our impressions today regarding the game. If you don't like it, that's fine, but to say that these people are not athletes? Hitting a baseball is the hardest thing to do in sport. People talk about these overweight athletes, well look at football for these massive linebackers and centers who can't move. More than that though, baseball players are some of the most finely tuned athletes in professional sports. Pick a team, any team, and we can name their top physical athletes...

Then again, let's get our facts straight. NO SPORT, none, not a single one, nada, zip, zilch has a one time and your gone penalty for sports. Football, which you so boldly used as an example has a 5 game suspension for first positive test. Second test carries 10 game, third is 2 years, fourth is life. Baseball is 50 games for the first, 100 for the second, third you're gone. Baseball has the most stringent drug policy. Furthermore, what about the HGH use in football. Over the last 10 years the average weight for a football player has gone from 261 to 338. That is 10 years. The average football player has a life expectancy of 51 years old also. Is that from the hits, from the working out, or from the sport and supplements? You make your own decision, but before you come out and start bashing the American pastime and something that not only got me my education but provided me with the life skills to have the moderate level of success that I have had, get your facts correct.

-Jeremy
 
If Baseball was not the American Pastime there would not be all this furor over what Bonds AND THE OTHERS used/using steroids would not be such a hot button issue. It would be "who cares."
 
man, i'm so sick of baseball fans saying that hitting a baseball is the hardest thing to do in a sport...that is just ridiculous...
 
OregonDank said:
man, i'm so sick of baseball fans saying that hitting a baseball is the hardest thing to do in a sport...that is just ridiculous...
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Obviously the difference between someone who has played the game and someone who hasn't.

-Jeremy
 
OregonDank said:
Baseball is a joke...i kinda think most of America is just sick of all of these tools - i know i am...they are by far the most overpaid professional "athletes", and they are playing a non-contact game that i personally don't see as a very impressive sport...
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If you don't think baseball and the ballplayers themselves are impressive, I'd wager that you've never played the sport. Like Yankee said, nothing (and I mean NOTHING) is as difficult as hitting a base hit against a major league pitcher on anything resembling a regular basis.

Baseball is a joke
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That one I am adding to the collection...
I'm working on a coffee table book consisting of the ridiculously ludicrous statements, analogies and comparisons that have been uttered around here.
 
oh give me a break

i've played baseball since i was like 8 just like everyone else...i could hit a baseball no problem...when i was 16 i could still hit a baseball, even a curveball thrown by a good pitcher...while i have no doubt that batting against Roger Clemens is much much harder and intimidating i DO NOT think you could call hitting a baseball the hardest thing in sports...

soooo many things are things that can only be done by far less people than how many people can hit a freakin baseball - even professionally
 
CallaghanFilms said:
If you don't think baseball and the ballplayers themselves are impressive, I'd wager that you've never played the sport. Like Yankee said, nothing (and I mean NOTHING) is as difficult as hitting a base hit against a major league pitcher on anything resembling a regular basis.
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Perhaps he has NO IDEA how fast a 95 MPH fastball is on top of you. Or how fast the decision making process is to swing or not. Recognition, is the ball a curve, fastball or change up. Decisions are made in fractions of seconds. It's amazing that anyone can safely put a ball in play. It is the reason a person is considered a success when they fail 70% of the time. :beer:
 
OregonDank said:
oh give me a break

i've played baseball since i was like 8 just like everyone else...i could hit a baseball no problem...when i was 16 i could still hit a baseball, even a curveball thrown by a good pitcher...while i have no doubt that batting against Roger Clemens is much much harder and intimidating i DO NOT think you could call hitting a baseball the hardest thing in sports...
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Don't misquote me.
I didn't say merely hitting a baseball (though that in itself is quite an achievement, even against much lesser arms than that of Clemens!)

I said,
nothing (and I mean NOTHING) is as difficult as hitting a base hit against a major league pitcher on anything resembling a regular basis.
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...which is why i consider DiMaggio's hitting streak the greatest achievement in sports history...and one record that won't be broken in my grandkids' grandkids' lifetime!
 
OregonDank

You are very naive. Hitting a baseball is indeed the hardest thing to do in sports. It surely is not catching a pass from the Quarterback and it most definately is not throwing it

The best hitters in the history of the sport were only able to hit the ball 4 out 10 times and only on a few occasions during their careers. The last person to even hit .400 (4 Hits of 10 At Bats) was Ted Williams and he did it in 1953

As Yankee stated, basball players are some of the finest tuned atheletes in sports. I am a football and basketball fan as well so I hold no bias

A non-contact sport
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It may not be an all contact sport like football in a play to play scenario but I'd love to get you ont 3rd base for some hitting drills

You may not like Baseball but don't be an asshole about it as you know there are some very passionate fans of the sports on this site. Maybe you never played ? Maybe you just weren't any good or maybe you just were always picked last, I don't know but everything you are saying goes beyond rational and popular opinion and shows your naivete on the matter

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Tell you what, get your DVX and go down to your local batting cages and go into the slow cage (50mph) and show us what you can do. Then, move up to the 80mph. Then get back to us on how hard it is and don;t feed us any lines about how you played little league for a few years as a kid.

There is a reason the best hitters in baseball over the last 100 years get a hit just better than 3 of 10 times at bat
 
Oregondank,

I don't care for baseball either. I'm a football fan through and through. But, I don't chime into a thread about baseball that is a great discussion by fans of the sport and rip it apart and trash it and make the thread into an argument. If you don't like baseball fine.... But don't disrespect the sport and the people that enjoy it.

Okay, that's all.:)
 
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