KyleProhaska
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^^ Loved that...
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Really? I thought it was ... not.
It's really hard to get over what Ebert called "the idiot plot" -- meaning, if one idiot just doesn't do one idiotic thing, then the whole story ceases to exist.
Case in point -- when Bond and the list-thief were on top of the train, and the female agent had a shot. And M says "take the shot" and the agent says "I might hit Bond"... and M says "take it anyway" and she does, and she hits Bond.
How ridiculously stupid was that? Bond WAS LISTENING. How about "Hey James ... DUCK!" Bond drops down, she shoots the bad guy, they recover the list, and the whole thing is over in the first 10 minutes...
Barry, as silly as that opener was, for me there was way more problems with the film. James had zero character arc. Totally flat and uncharismatic. The villain had enough motive but his actions were uncalculated and random. The introduction of the new Q was lame. I wish I had some attachments to the characters, especially M who dies! The shootout at the mansion. What was James thinking? It felt like an episode of Dukes of Hazard there. What happen to some mystery? The cards were on the table from the beginning. I was at least hoping for some good action sequences. Again it failed on that too. Wait a Bond film usually has a Bond girl... that barely happened... This film had zero emotion. I know I'm in the minority on this film.
I got the 22 (with slot for "Sky Fall"(2012)...) disk Bond set for Christmas, and I've been working my way through them all... some are so distant in time, I've totally forgotten that I've seen them...
In any case... one of the most significant observations I've made so far, getting up to "Octopussy"(1983)... is that Bond has no, none, hardly a wink, of arc. Now of course, the Bond's of yore had a certain sort of 'sophisticated demeanor', which some people really liked...
Enter in the Bond Novels, at least the ones I've read by Flemming (Amazon had a $1.99 'sale' on the Flemming Kindle version novels... so I bought them all...)... The Bond character has not morphed into a 'suave sophisticated' type that was portrayed by most of the Bond films... as of 'From Russia With Love'(pub. 1957). While the Bond novels do depict a Bond who has some feelings, and occasionally thinks of marriage... he, as of FRWL..., doesn't seem to be 'arcing' in any real sense.
As for 'gadgetry'... those film elements seem to be almost absent from the novels I've read... runs around in an 'old' pre-war Bently... for several novels... without any 'Q' mods... etc. carries a Beretta .25 rather than the Walther PPK... although in a couple of the novels I've read he has a Colt 45 in the car...
As for 'stupid' situations... for a 'spy', the novel Bond seems to often do rather stupid things... or is 'surprised' by things... which would seem to be part of the 'spy trade'... for example, he seems to often 'get marked' by the opposition, and only after some severe bungling on their part, does he finally 'notice' that gosh, "I've been tracked for days/miles of my travels"...
Hey, I'm not disagreeing with any of that at all... I was just pointing out how ridiculous and unbelievable it was, right off the bat. Seems like this one needed to be left in the oven to bake a little while longer (i.e., a rewrite or two).Barry, as silly as that opener was, for me there was way more problems with the film. James had zero character arc. Totally flat and uncharismatic. The villain had enough motive but his actions were uncalculated and random. The introduction of the new Q was lame. I wish I had some attachments to the characters, especially M who dies! The shootout at the mansion. What was James thinking? It felt like an episode of Dukes of Hazard there. What happen to some mystery? The cards were on the table from the beginning. I was at least hoping for some good action sequences. Again it failed on that too. Wait a Bond film usually has a Bond girl... that barely happened... This film had zero emotion. I know I'm in the minority on this film.
:cheesy: LOL"Seems like this one needed to be left in the oven to bake a little while longer (i.e., a rewrite or two)."
Really? I thought it was ... not.
It's really hard to get over what Ebert called "the idiot plot" -- meaning, if one idiot just doesn't do one idiotic thing, then the whole story ceases to exist.
Case in point -- when Bond and the list-thief were on top of the train, and the female agent had a shot. And M says "take the shot" and the agent says "I might hit Bond"... and M says "take it anyway" and she does, and she hits Bond.
How ridiculously stupid was that? Bond WAS LISTENING. How about "Hey James ... DUCK!" Bond drops down, she shoots the bad guy, they recover the list, and the whole thing is over in the first 10 minutes...
Hey, I'm not disagreeing with any of that at all... I was just pointing out how ridiculous and unbelievable it was, right off the bat. Seems like this one needed to be left in the oven to bake a little while longer (i.e., a rewrite or two).
I really enjoyed this; and Casino and Quantum. It's finally being taken seriously.
Really? I thought it was ... not.
It's really hard to get over what Ebert called "the idiot plot" -- meaning, if one idiot just doesn't do one idiotic thing, then the whole story ceases to exist.
Case in point -- when Bond and the list-thief were on top of the train, and the female agent had a shot. And M says "take the shot" and the agent says "I might hit Bond"... and M says "take it anyway" and she does, and she hits Bond.
How ridiculously stupid was that? Bond WAS LISTENING. How about "Hey James ... DUCK!" Bond drops down, she shoots the bad guy, they recover the list, and the whole thing is over in the first 10 minutes...