BMD 6K Pocket Cinema Camera

Run&Gun said:
... Re: the scuffed cameras. What are they going to do about the ones that were damaged in shipping already? ...
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From a YouTube clip, the retailers have told customers, "Sure, we'll give you a new one ... whenever we get it". Because the item is on back order. And, given that the reviews have otherwise been glowing, will likely be in a short supply for a while. So this will depend on a retailer because the waiting list on this item must be really long.

In the old brick&mortar days, we'd just do a make-weight, especially if the item was out of stock. "You want an 18-55 with that? An 18-35? A gimbal? An SSD? An extended warranty? I'll give you a great deal". Hypothetically speaking, a few hundred dollar discount here and there would do the job.

mcgeedigital said:
+1 This is 100 percent fixable with proper packaging on BM's part.
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That is presuming they're not lying through their teeth here. Because I don't think the package internals are easy to redesign on the spot.
 
I don't like this:

One thing that you need to be aware of is that people have had issues when powering an external monitor and the camera off the same power source. If you connect an HDMI cable from the monitor to the camera it creates a closed circuit. What has happened is users end up frying the HDMI port and it will no longer work. The suggestion is to use two batteries, one on the monitor and one on camera. It’s also recommended that you don’t use D-tap splitters
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First I've seen of this issue.
 
Who did the package design for them? Is it offshored to the wife of some big boss? So very amateurish. This is unnecessary bad PR for BMD. The best way is for BMD to take a hit in their chin and compensate whoever has got cameras scruffed up or replace those cameras immediately without sending stock elsewhere. The way the LCD cover is pasted in the photo shared in Newshooter review, I guess Blackmagic perhaps hired school boys to do some of the work.

Seriously speaking, worldwide electronic manufacturing companies hire temporary labour to meet the peak season demand or ocassional demand like making cameras ready for the launch. And the temp labour were not trained well. This is in addition to the lousy packaging design which BMD has already admitted. Hopefully everything will be sorted out soon. I mean well for this company.
 
indiawilds said:
Is it offshored to the wife of some big boss?, So very amateurish, This is unnecessary bad PR ,take a hit in their chin, I guess Blackmagic perhaps hired school boys to do some of the work, the lousy packaging design. I mean well for this company.
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Yeah okay.

Thousands of deliveries and a handful of issues.
 
If anyone from BMD reads this, I'll gladly take a free scuffed up camera. You can keep the Resolve license because I already have one. You can contact me through PM here or over on the BMD forums. :laugh:
 
To me, it seems that they sold the test units that they gave to techs and reviewers. So the first batch has some roughed up units, the second one won't. We got no delay between announcement and shipping and that's impressive, but they still managed to somehow screw up. They're getting there, though.
 
My theory was that the packing machine malfunctioned - something got caught or snagged onto something somewhere - and scratched a bunch of pieces in the process. The supervisor of shipping&receiving then played Sgt. Schultz and "saw noteenk", as the machine was stopped, adjusted and relaunched.

The "en route" scratches would have had huge dents, holes and punctures on the box, which doesn't seem to be the case. Buyers were surprised/shocked to see the scuffs after opening the package but the package itself seemed to be fine.

As to them being demo units, there'd be more damage than just scuffs, had they been used as action cams or something of that nature. Which is also unlikely. Besides, the demo units will often stay with the testers or be returned to the said department, whereas packing takes place at the manufacturer production plant with these two paths rarely intersecting.

But what do I know. I was skeptical that the scuff marks existed in the first place. But they indeed do.
 
indiawilds said:
Who did the package design for them? Is it offshored to the wife of some big boss? So very amateurish. This is unnecessary bad PR for BMD. The best way is for BMD to take a hit in their chin and compensate whoever has got cameras scruffed up or replace those cameras immediately without sending stock elsewhere. The way the LCD cover is pasted in the photo shared in Newshooter review, I guess Blackmagic perhaps hired school boys to do some of the work.

Seriously speaking, worldwide electronic manufacturing companies hire temporary labour to meet the peak season demand or ocassional demand like making cameras ready for the launch. And the temp labour were not trained well. This is in addition to the lousy packaging design which BMD has already admitted. Hopefully everything will be sorted out soon. I mean well for this company.
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Kind of odd to blame the packing for the damaged camera when the packaging itself is in good shape. Please look for another conspiracy theory to spread.
 
I've been dangerously close to putting one of these in the shopping cart. A tipping point toward the purchase, is life for my EF lenses that are getting no current use whatsoever. The P6K is not that much more money than an EF adapter from optitek or metabones would have been for my F55 yet adds the benefit of a second camera angle. Since Canon came out with their new full frame mirrorless mount, is there hope that *any* new camera would support EF mount?

Is the P4k/6k made in China? If so, the price for the P6k which seems a little high is reflecting a U.S. tariff.
 
Samuel H said:
* The best thing about the p6k is that it's putting a lot of pressure on every other camera maker. Bring out another 4k 30fps 8-bit body and we'll laugh you out of the stage.
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Canon launched two 4k 30fps 8-bit bodies yesterday: 90D and M6-II. Sony is about to launch two new 4k 30fps 8-bit bodies today: a6100 and a6600. You can start laughing at them now, or wait for the official press release.
 
Indeed. But they still talk about how great the video side is too. In the case of the a6600, the video features take almost half of the presentation material (here). My p4k looks at them with disdain.

edit: to be fair, Canon doesn't even try: the marketing material doesn't say much about video, just that it shoots "with no crop", which must be what they consider a plus at Canon these days
 
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Is anyone seeing or discussing the lack of texture and the glossy dslr look of these new bmpcc 4k and 6k cams. Like I've yet to see any footage with texture to them. The skin on people look as though it has a grain reducer on them and turned all the way up. If anyone else is seeing this can they please elaborate as to what's going on here. I want to like this camera so bad, as it does a lot of great things, but I'm after image and that skin smoothing affect want cut it for narrative work imo.
 
I'm not sure what your point of reference is, but I switched from Sony mirrorless to p4k, and the difference in texture is HUGE, in the sense that I can see it with the p4k, whereas the XAVC-S compression killed it in most situations. Then again, I'm shooting cDNG, precisely because BRAW softens the footage and erases textures. And then publish everything on YouTube, which kills textures anyway... XD
 
I do think BM's look has changed. IMO the 2.5K/bmpcc were the most aesthetically pleasing and their new cams not so much. Highly subjective though...
 
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