C100: Bmcc -> c100

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Danny1280

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Just had the MFT BMCC for a few weeks before I decided to return it and try the C100.

Love that buttery image of the BMCC, no doubt.

But the C100 is so much easier to use for run&gun, which is most of what I do.
I feel so much less stressed using it, even with the Ninja attached.
Things I don't have to worry about
1. An extra audio mixer attached, and even then the sound is questionable with BMCC.
2. Waveform, VUs
3. Battery
4. Easy to hold and use
5. Kit lens that comes with the C100 is solid and all-in-one.

Image looks great—not quite as creamy-film-like as Blackmagic, but pretty darned great.

So far, I'm tipping back towards Canon.
 
I think the C100 is one of the most intuitive, ergonomic cameras out there. Simply love shooting with it!
 
The BMCC's strength is making pretty pictures (rolling shutter and aliasing aside). I love my C100, but BMCC's image puts my jaw on the floor.
 
I have the C100 and the BMCC. I really can only justify owning one camera but I'm addicted to the image out of the BMCC and the C100 is just so damn good for run and gun... Tonight I'm taking the C100 to a gig for its low light ability. That alone is an amazing feature it has over the BMCC.

The BMCC is a luxury that may or may not be worth indulging in depending on what you shoot. It has a better image no doubt but is it worth the extra hassle? For most people I would think not.

The BMCC's strength is making pretty pictures (rolling shutter and aliasing aside)
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I don't think many people see the rolling shutter as much of an issue but Moire is a PITA sometimes.
 
I sold my BMC and went C100. I don't regret it at all. The BMC could and does make a good image (and sometimes images that are just NOT usable die to moire). But for for, the ability to GET THE SHOT because of the UI of the C100 makes me favor the C100. Everything you need in ON/IN the camera....
 
traviswears said:
I think the C100 is one of the most intuitive, ergonomic cameras out there. Simply love shooting with it!
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How do you have it setup, and what configuration do you usually use it in? Thanks


( i see you also own a 60D? I accidentally bought one, and ended up loving its ergonomics. One of my all time favorites now. Never really cared for it's image, but still enjoyed the look it gave. Mainly just the control layout and ergonomics were an amazing stroke of luck for video users, nearly perfect. I like it better than C100 in some ways)
 
James0b57 said:
( i see you also own a 60D? I accidentally bought one, and ended up loving its ergonomics. One of my all time favorites now. Never really cared for it's image, but still enjoyed the look it gave. Mainly just the control layout and ergonomics were an amazing stroke of luck for video users, nearly perfect. I like it better than C100 in some ways)
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I use the 60D all the time and agree its a sweet camera. This last week I got to use a C100 for the first time. In comparison of the two - the C100 wins out with such a lovely picture and ND filters. Push to focus and other dedicated buttons also made it such a great camera to work with. Were it lost out against the 60D was the LCD panel. The 60D with its more flexible articulating panel is much better and when I wanted to use magnify to check focus the 60D has 2 levels so you can really get in tight. I imagine Canon is selling the heck out of C100's but I would bet that would double and the C100 would go down as a classic if they had a more articulating screen, Put on a proper viewfinder and of course out put to a 4,2,2 10 bit color space codec. I think the AVCHD codec is fine but so many people would never buy this camera because of it, and of course it's not Broadcast approved, whatever that really means. I realize Canon wants those folks to purchase the C300 but for me 15 thousand or there about is just to much money for most small shops and enthusiasts.

Bottom line I am keeping the 60D in any case but I am hoping my company will swing for the C100 -

Roy
 
Well, it's week 2 of the c100 after returning the BMCC.
And I must say, I'm very impressed.
I know I've read this somewhere, but the color looks amazing right out of the box...even better than the default c300 settings, to my eyes.
I look at the footage, and I can't think of any grading/improvment, unless trying to go with a particular style.

But it's so darned easy to use in documentary situations. And the auto iris and auto focus saved me today, when it was so bright outside, I could barely see the LCD.
(Ok, that brings up one problem, the EVF, but at least there's the workaround: auto focus works quickly in bright light when it's hard to see the LCD, and slowly in lower light, where you can focus more easily by eye.)
 
Shawnvfx said:
same discussion again again and again

Im tired of this
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.....it is kind of baked into the title... you should know by now that any thread with camera comparisons is going to be pretty formulaic. Start a thread to your liking in Cafe ala dvx. Be proactive on the threads, it is more fun that way.
 
How does the c100 feel ergonomically with the atomos ninja on it? If I'm shooting shaky cam or action, will I run into potential cabling problems?
 
Just spent the day with the combo filming construction sites. The ninja adds weight and bulk. But still fairly workable handheld. Arms do get tired after a while without a rig.
 
Danny1280 said:
Just spent the day with the combo filming construction sites. The ninja adds weight and bulk. But still fairly workable handheld. Arms do get tired after a while without a rig.
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Then mount the Ninja to your belt, like a battery pack. OR, use the the internal codec. It works quite well and 9/10 shots I've seen between the internal and external recordings show little to no difference.
 
On another forum a C100 owner mounted his Ninja 2 recorder underneath the camera using the tripod screw holes to provide ballast when shooting handheld. He said it gave more stable shots. I'd imagine setting the camera down would be a pain though.
 
dustylense said:
Then mount the Ninja to your belt, like a battery pack. OR, use the the internal codec. It works quite well and 9/10 shots I've seen between the internal and external recordings show little to no difference.
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Hi Dusty. I've seen, and tried, the belt/arm contraption from Shape (tested it on my BMCC when I had that). It works nicely, totally relieving my arms of the weight.
But it needed to be hooked onto a shoulder rig with rods, as far as I knew.

How does this belt thing work for hand-holding a c100/ninja combo?

Thanks!
 
Now, what would really steal the show is a BMCC with C100 ergonomics and slow motion, but I think the world would explode or something equally as bad.....
I've owned them both and just want to meld them together....Ahhh in another hundred years or hundred thousand....
 
Danny1280 said:
Hi Dusty. I've seen, and tried, the belt/arm contraption from Shape (tested it on my BMCC when I had that). It works nicely, totally relieving my arms of the weight.
But it needed to be hooked onto a shoulder rig with rods, as far as I knew.

How does this belt thing work for hand-holding a c100/ninja combo?

Thanks!
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I don't know as I don't have a ninja and really don't see a urgent need for one. The only real reason I'd use a ninja on the c100 would be for green screen or direct importing. I feel the internal codec is pretty darn good. Keep in mind that I sold the BMC to help in the purchase of the C100 and I shoot RAW stills all the time (I'm primarily a stills shooter) so I understand fully the advantages of RAW (and the downside). Get you exposure correct in camera and a good white balance and I just don't see the internal codec that bothersome. Now if you are trying to film the next Iron Man movie, sure you might want the Alexa. I just see the AVCHD in the C100 as being better than AVCHD in other cameras and its primarily due to the sensor. Having worked with Canons XF codec, I would't mind the C300. I'll probably buy a Ninja soon, but I'm in NO rush....I had the Ki Pro Mini with my AF100 and rarely used it....
 
These comparisons will go on as C100 is a very successful camera. There will be many new buyers who will join in and talk good about the C100.

If broadcast is not the aim, then C100 is fine. It is a compact package that works from the moment you open the box.

If BMC version 1.0 didn't have moire and aliasing then I would have bought one for shooting in some specific conditions. Raw is not for everybody. Especially for projects that needs quick turnaround, it is simply a big pain. If you are not going to do much colour grading, then the only impact of raw is to use up more recording media.

The Canon C300 XF codec holds up well in grading.

If BMC would have spent some more time in developing the version 1.0 camera to remove moire and aliasing then it would have been great. However, they perhaps felt that enough is enough and announced the 4K version.
 
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