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I just have to laugh at this thing, at this point. They know the form factor and battery is what kills this camera for most of us. How can they possibly release this knowing the mistakes they made with the first one?

Hey BM, make this into a camera more like a C100 or even an F5 and I'd buy it instantly and not worry about cameras again for a long time. I can't take this thing on paid work with no XLR's and the list goes on. Add a body around this that works and I'll pay you $8000. Do that, make money and be respected or keep doing what no one wants and be a novelty that only a few people are willing to live with.
 
Shoots56 said:
I just have to laugh at this thing, at this point. They know the form factor and battery is what kills this camera for most of us. How can they possibly release this knowing the mistakes they made with the first one?

Hey BM, make this into a camera more like a C100 or even an F5 and I'd buy it instantly and not worry about cameras again for a long time. I can't take this thing on paid work with no XLR's and the list goes on. Add a body around this that works and I'll pay you $8000. Do that, make money and be respected or keep doing what no one wants and be a novelty that only a few people are willing to live with.
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Seriously are people still using the battery argument? This camera is designed to use professional external batteries. The internal battery is designed to just give you a bit of internal power while swapping batteries and for quick setup and testing. I also don't see much of a problem with form factor. There are plenty of people very happy with how the camera is. Maybe it isn't perfect but it is far from a bad design if you use it the way a professional setup would use it.
 
Video-enabled still cameras accidentally sold like hotcakes, but not because of their shape, because of their big chips. Future iterations need to keep what works (big chips) and lose what is just an artifact of history (the SLR shape).
 
Thomas Smet said:
Seriously are people still using the battery argument? This camera is designed to use professional external batteries. The internal battery is designed to just give you a bit of internal power while swapping batteries and for quick setup and testing. I also don't see much of a problem with form factor. There are plenty of people very happy with how the camera is. Maybe it isn't perfect but it is far from a bad design if you use it the way a professional setup would use it.
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Still? This thing and its little brother are still quite new so there's no room for the word "still".

Whatever, the whole thing can't be used "professionally" in the first place so there's no other argument. It needs batteries, support like crazy and a monitor. It's a weird novelty in the camera world and not one DP I know will use it except as a B or crash camera. My 2011 (wow that's old) F3, even with an Odyssey, is 10 times easier to use and still has more DR. Keep trying camera companies.
 
Shoots56, you should try it before you write it off completely. I had a similar attitude but picked up a MFT BMCC for a specific job. I have access to all sorts of cameras including an F3 and I now shoot with the BMCC a lot of the time. Its a great size, its image is really, really nice and with a speedbooster its equivalent to a bit bigger than super35.

The battery is something I thought was a bit dumb but its only dumb due to where the screen is and where you will put your battery pinch. If the screen wasn't there it would be like a red with a vlock at the back, just with a hold out battery internally when you wanted to hot swap or go very light for an hour, very useful.

The problems really are the screen, the weird jacks and the placement of the jacks. Having them on the op side of camera is annoying.
If the BMCC sensor was inside an F3 or AF100 style body it would be amazing. I don't agree with you re the DR though, the F3 with slog has never delivered us as much DR as the BMCC get us, so in our experience the F3 has less.
 
I wish every camera had a built in battery for hot swapping. I sold my BMCC, but the battery was not an issue whatsoever, it was a plus.
 
Video-enabled still cameras accidentally sold like hotcakes, but not because of their shape, because of their big chips. Future iterations need to keep what works (big chips) and lose what is just an artifact of history (the SLR shape).
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Totally agree.

For me the biggest issue though is, and remains the horrible moire and aliasing on the camera. No OLPF. Just dumb.
Apparently Mosaic is finally getting their's out for the camera, but it softens the image considerably.
Until they all get their act together on this, I will watch from the sidelines.
 
I don't have a Facebook account so I can't follow that link, but I'm skeptical that this is for real. Only 30 days from shipping and not a single frame of footage released? There's no mention of this on Blackmagic Design's website or John Brawley's blog that I can find either.

It's possible that it's coming that soon, but my gut says no.
 
yoclay said:
Totally agree.

For me the biggest issue though is, and remains the horrible moire and aliasing on the camera. No OLPF. Just dumb.
Apparently Mosaic is finally getting their's out for the camera, but it softens the image considerably.
Until they all get their act together on this, I will watch from the sidelines.
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Thats true. I hadn't had a problem with moire untill yesterday when we shot some building exteriors for a promotional vid for the venue. It had crazy moire all over it. Pulled out the AF100 for that shot :)
 
yep, the OLPF is a big deal for me, or lack of it, in the BMCC. The output formats are great and the form factor is not what I like but I'm glad it's out there making the world safe for affordable RAW acquisition. :)
 
Black Magic is freaking awesome. I love what they've brought to the table. Congrats to us all.

(...Yeeeees, I know....it's going to be longer than 30 days. So what. It will be 2 years faster than Red Camera's schedule, and 3 months later than Sony's.)
 
starcentral said:
I wonder if the folks at mosaic engineering have any interest in developing a OLPF for the BMC.

It would be possible.
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I have seen awhile ago a prototype for it. Just can't find the link anymore, so I guess they're still working on it.

I think David Cubanski would reply if you emailed him about it.
 
Forgot to add the extra poor rolling shutter and other image problems. I hope the 4K version does better (but whats it matter if its the same body)
 
Shoots56 said:
Forgot to add the extra poor rolling shutter and other image problems. I hope the 4K version does better (but whats it matter if its the same body)
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Rolling shutter is only slightly worse than the F3 or AF100 and the 4k version has a global shutter so no rolling shutter at all. Body is really not that bad. Put a cage on it and it can be quite nice, and its still cheaper than most every thing else out there.
 
EndCredits said:
Rolling shutter is only slightly worse than the F3 or AF100 and the 4k version has a global shutter so no rolling shutter at all. Body is really not that bad. Put a cage on it and it can be quite nice, and its still cheaper than most every thing else out there.
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I think that is the main factor that some are overlooking at this point.

A 4K camera with global shutter for $4,000???

Who would have ever imagined this even 2 years ago?

Even with necessary cages, battery solutions, etc.......the price is STILL crazy.
 
yoclay said:
I believe one of the mod's (kholi) here has already used it.
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Yes, I spent about two weeks with a Mosaic'd 2.5K camera and my own EF, checking a lot of RAW frames and just grabbing footage in general. It works, in exchange for higher frequency detail. Can't have it all. Just look at Sony's F55 OLPF swap option, the filter reduces resolution, but charts don't tell the full tale, of course. It also has at least one neat perk (outside of being stress free on beauty shoots, etc.) that may or may not carry over.

I find that it's not a big deal to lose the detail, but would've wanted the option to yank the filter out at will, thus Mosaic and I chatted about an easy swap version which is what's in the making right this moment.

Actually, I think I should have the final version this week.

It's likely something that every owner of the 2.5K should have, but not completely necessary, either as a lot of people just want the detail and are okay with posting the moire out.

To the person that says the camera can't be used "professionally"... Perhaps not in its 1,500.00 off the shelf state (accounting for the Resolve dongle and all, which probably has more extended value than most people's actual camera bodies given that every update of Resolve is FREE to existing customers), but built out it's absolutely no different than shooting with an Epic, etc.

Can't imagine anyone that's used more than a prosumer camera believing that a built-in battery is a horrible idea... nonsense.

http://16x9inc.com/shop/cart.php?m=product_detail&p=677 -- This is on the back of nearly every RED camera package I've used, and when it wasn't on the camera it's frustrating. It's basically doing the same job an internal battery would do.
 
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R Hudson said:
I think that is the main factor that some are overlooking at this point.

A 4K camera with global shutter for $4,000???

Who would have ever imagined this even 2 years ago?

Even with necessary cages, battery solutions, etc.......the price is STILL crazy.
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^ I'm with this guy.

I guess people forgot all about what life was like before 2006 and wanting to shoot the super 35mm format.

RED announced a solution for $17,500 and no one complained then, hard to believe so many people are complaining now.

Rolling shutter hasn't been a problem since 2006/7 with countless number of movies shot on RED, not sure why it needs to be a problem now.
 
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