BlackMagic Hypershuttle vs. FS100 AVCHD

Question about terns then.. when there's no Spirit or Rank or even TK76 for miles around why use the term "telecine"? There's pull down here, but there's no telecine involved... and not all telecine's involve adding pull down either...

Oh well.. I'm guessing it's something to do with prosumer stuff (that i've not really been involved with)? Not heard the term before.. after only a few decades on Flame, DS, Jaleo, Axial/Abekas, CMX/GVG...

Back to BMD's recorder.. yea uncompressed would be the cleanest way to pull 24P out of 60I, far better than trying it with a layer of compression added to the "I" part.. but the PIX220/240 removes the pull down on ingest, so before any codec is involved, and the codec is compressing a P stream on that device ( not yet tested, only information from the sales guy)

A fair bit diffrent from say a Ninja that compresses an I stream, and then you have to extract P from it and throw away 25% of the data i would agree...

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Dermot said:
Question about terns then.. when there's no Spirit or Rank or even TK76 for miles around why use the term "telecine"? There's pull down here, but there's no telecine involved... and not all telecine's involve adding pull down either...

Oh well.. I'm guessing it's something to do with prosumer stuff (that i've not really been involved with)? Not heard the term before.. after only a few decades on Flame, DS, Jaleo, Axial/Abekas, CMX/GVG...
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Really? "telecine" is commonly used interchangably for 2:3 or 3:2 pulldown. It's used everywhere, and these days does not necessarily refer to an old school telecine machine. Just like "IVTC" is commonly used to indicate "remove 2:3 (or 3:2) pulldown". "Pulldown" comes from the same historic roots, but no film is actually being "pulled down" in your digital camera :) Maybe it's because "IVTC" is shorter than "remove 2:3 pulldown".


(It's the same business with "60i" vs "30i". In the old days, everyone called it 30i, expressed as frames per second but these days everyone calls it 60i as in fields per second - even though they both refer to the same thing.)
 
well lets look aroudn the tools i have at hand on this sunny Saturday while i'm at work;
DS? "pulldown removal"
MochaPro? "pulldown removal"
Media Composer? "pulldown removal"
Nuke? "pulldown removal"

no sign of "IVTK"

So i asked a closed list i am on.. the answer came back "it's marketing speak for the FCP/Panasonic workflow of a few years ago" does that sound about right? And if so will the marketing speak follow out the door right behind FCP as it shuffles into the sunset?

When we need to be accurate we use 59.94 for HD, and 29.97 for SD, and do not interchange the terms, use them as specfic to the formats, but i can understand how someone who does not need to be to concerned about getting deliverables out the door mangles it

I used 60i in the context of discussing pulldown removal straight out of camera, not deliverables, so i will give my self a pass on that one ;-)

And fortunatly there's not going to be cadence breaks on camera files - at least one hopes so!


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Dermot - you mentioned some people having issues with the Black Magic Hypershuttle

Donno Mico.. reading the chatter it seems most of the folks using Vegas, AE, FCP, P5 are creating muck from the BMD recorder
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Can you be more specific or provide some links ? Was this related to cadence/pulldown removal (IVTC :)) , or something else ?

Trying to make sense of this. I haven't seen an "enthusiastic" review of this unit yet, and both cuervo and frank expressed their concerns in this tread....
 
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I don't find this to be a useful comparison, as all the frames you are comparing from the hyperdeck are the interlaced ones. It would have been more useful to grab the progressive ones from that stream and compare them with the avchd. Of course anything interlaced looks terrible. I guess it's a non-issue anyway. From what I can tell, there is no way to easily remove the pulldown if the hyperdeck can't see or record the flags from the timecode over HDMI. I don't care how wonderful and recorded file's compression (or lack there of) is, if I have to manualy asses and assign the pulldown pattern to remove the it for every shot, it's not worth my time. It's a shame. I want to like the hyperdeck, but until sony sends 24p over hdmi (and hyperdeck records it), or hyperdeck records the timecode with pulldown flags (or better yet removes pulldown before recoding), the hyperdeck is useless with the FS100!
 
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