Blackmagic Design 6K G2 Pocket

Tom Roper said:
And I don't know how to navigate? :happy:

Blackmagic Design Pocket Cinema Camera 6K Pro CINECAMPOCHDEF06P (bhphotovideo.com)
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Yeah, I don't know what you're saying; that's just the regular product page for that camera that's still part of the 'Digital Cine Cameras' section/filtering.

If you're referring to the #1 sticker, I've said for like the last 15 years that the badge changes are delayed because of front-end development.

You've been around the block for a while...assumed you must have seen it at least once or twice or just knew it.
 
NorBro said:
Yeah, I don't know what you're saying; that's just the regular product page for that camera that's still part of the 'Digital Cine Cameras' section/filtering.

If you're referring to the #1 sticker, I've said for like the last 15 years that the badge changes are delayed because of front-end development.

You've been around the block for a while...assumed you must have seen it at least once or twice or just knew it.
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Honestly I couldn't care less about the sticker or the list which seems to have sponsored products at the top unless I'm missing some other numerically numbered scoreboard/ticker.

Movie Cameras | Cinema Cameras | B&H (bhphotovideo.com)
 
Tom Roper said:
What's the first thing people say when getting defensive about CAF?

"I know how to manual focus but blah blah is a game changer.

So why don't they include it on Arri or Venice? Why isn't CAF taught in cinema schools?

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The high end camera often add the external sonar based auto focus with its own brain or a focus puller, who can adjust off a readout.

Side note, the new Sony Quad Bayer sensors will have a Quad Pixel Auto Focus. Sony owns 40% of the mobile sensor market and is aiming for 60.
 
I think I was pretty clear that even though I like BM (6kpro) it's not for me. This is mainly because it's not a good run n gun, live events or solo work that comprise most of what I do. I used 6k on a recent project. I haven't seen the results yet and I'm sure it will look great but usability I wasn't that keen on.

The other point I was making was purely an observation of its place in the market compared to the competition.

The last point I made was that I don't like it's form factor and it doesn't make sense based on how the camera is intended to be used. It's a photo camera body that's intended to shoot movies.
 
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Grant’s always had a forward-thinking mind so I wouldn’t be surprised to see BM with reliable continuous AF in the future.
 
NorBro said:
Grant’s always had a forward-thinking mind so I wouldn’t be surprised to see BM with reliable continuous AF in the future.
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I don't see it that way. The camera is intended for more serious cinema style shooting. In those use cases CAF isn't used. In addition I don't think they have the money or ability to pull it off. Like someone said previously that if they were to add it I'd expect it to perform like Panasonic which is not reliable and so would not be of much use professionals who can't use some thing that isn't dependable. I see them staying in their lane and making small improvements. Like most manufactures once the die is cast the camera stays the way it is for the most part.
 
If Jarred Land thought it was a good idea, Grant Petty will think it's a good idea.

And Australia and America play differently than Japan (meaning Panasonic Corporation who's been around like forever could have the best auto-focus in the world but doesn't for reasons).

And ironically to your thoughts, BM have experimented probably more than anyone with cameras and camera ideas.
 
It'll be a long time before I drop any money on another Blackmagic Camera. They dropped any updates for the URSA G2, shortly after the 12k was released. So people who bought it(me) are stuck with the older color science. (They did the same with the first URSA 4.6k right after the g1 was released. A dumb attempt to force people to upgrade). I don't see any reason to buy this new camera. Perhaps if they added an sdi port(for EVF) and faster processing to improve the mediocre rolling shutter performance, I'd be tempted.
 
Peter C. said:
I think I was pretty clear that even though I like BM (6kpro) it's not for me. This is mainly because it's not a good run n gun, live events or solo work that comprise most of what I do. I used 6k on a recent project. I haven't seen the results yet and I'm sure it will look great but usability I wasn't that keen on.

The other point I was making was purely an observation of its place in the market compared to the competition.

The last point I made was that I don't like it's form factor and it doesn't make sense based on how the camera is intended to be used. It's a photo camera body that's intended to shoot movies.
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I didn't think anyone was trying to sell you one, but after all, it was your choice to comment in a topic about the camera that isn't for you, an example of why opinons from afar are pretty worthless when there is no skin in the game or at least your mind is not open.

I do agree with you however about the non-likelihood of BMD developing CAF but not for the reason you gave. It doesn't make sense when you don't have your own lens data protocol and have to deconstruct 3rd party options like they did with Canon's now discontinued EF series. BMD designed and built their own 12K sensor with RGBWWW CFA, and arguably the best supporting software suite (and broadcast hardware) for Sony, Canon, Red, Panasonic. Would Venice, FX9, FX6 be in the conversation if Catalyst Prepare was the best option for edit/grading/delivery?
 
I have a feeling my 12K isn't going to be receiving the gyro-stab update the 6K got either. Could just be a harbinger of a new flagship model, since it's hard to imagine BMD making much profit at hardly more than a Sony mirrorless pricepoint.
 
The problem with the auto focus for the BMD is that it doesn't make own lenses nor an original lens format. If I were them, I'd try to butter up either Nikon or the L-Alliance. L has a crippled Sony software but, perhaps, at some point, will release a fully functioning AF like Z9. Nikon made a bold move vs. Red and simultaneously negotiated a decent deal with Sony on the AF. Its glass is pretty good at that end of the market and welcoming another company into the Z-mount fold should make it at least appear more business dependable and worthy of the long term investment.

The negative side is that, should Nikon come out with Z7 MKIII with the AF and Compressed Raw, it will be directly competing against BMD too.

The third option is manual glass with the externally powered LiDAR AF. Ronin's version worked pretty well, albeit not perfectly. But it seems very doable and the manual glass very affordable.
 
I just see CAF as one of those things thats really hard to do perfectly. Even DPAF is really impressive but still not perfect. I'm just not sure BMD can pull off fast enough and accurate CAF for professionals to consider it great.

The gyro data post stabilization thing is easy. Its just post metadata of how the camera moved around. Basically tracking data done in camera. Once you have that tracking data its easy to put it to some kind of use.

CAF is very different and not so easy to solve. It would also take a ton of R&D and very likely drive up the cost of the cameras to have it. The Pocket cameras are very affordable for what they do because they don't have to worry about all that whiz bang stuff that is very expensive and hard to pull off well. Same with highly compressed formats that look good. Its much harder for Panasonic to make a solid h264 or HEVC in camera format that looks professional than it is to record raw or ProRes. For the same reasons exporting to ProRes in a NLE is much faster than HEVC. That is unless you have the hardware chips to lend a hand. Those hardware chips cost money too.

Its the processing that adds to the cost of hybrid cameras. A tremendous amount of processing vs BMD cameras. I think a P6k Pro with CAF and IBIS and advanced image processing would easily cost $4k if BMD pulled it off. Even then they would have a steep hill to climb to do it perfectly.
 
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Z CAM once had this amazing video of the founder in China showing a prototype of his cameras identify things on the screen and keeping them in focus. "Face" - "Apple" - "Pet".

...then it disappeared and there haven't been many AF discussions in those cameras, as far as I know.

Wonder if it was not so easy to solve past a prototype, or if the words "wire" or "transfer" would be in the explanation. (Not implying they were or would be for any reason, but just wondering.)
 
DLD said:
... L has a crippled Sony software but, perhaps, at some point, will release a fully functioning AF like Z9....
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And so they did. Half a year after I mentioned it. At least, Panasonic did. Leica is remaining on the sidelines so far.
 
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