Blackmagic Design 6K G2 Pocket

Tom Roper said:
Sets itself on fire too. :happy:
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That's a hot take.

If were talking about marketing and sales the Japanese companies have a distinct advantage with their mirrorless cameras. They can be sold both to photographers and videographers. In addition they make a large portion of their money on their lenses. Canon in particular has not released their tech for 3rd parties to make R lenses. The BM cameras have a significantly smaller target to sell to, entry level cinema which has to compete with the hybrid mirrorless cameras. They also aren't well suited to run and gun because of their size and lack of c-af. They do fulfill a niche, I'm glad they are here but they don't do what I need.
 
CharlesPapert said:
I know that the point of this is to impart information but considering that they manufacture the hardware and software used to shoot and finish this piece, to me it's pretty weak visually. It looks washed out, the skintones are muddy, he doesn't pop against the back wall color, the tabletop feels too hot, and the dissolving between shots in the studio feels dated. Feels like a half-assed corporate piece shot in the corner of an existing office vs a purpose-built studio space within a multi-billion dollar corporation.
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It's like a mini case study of CEO's vision vs. what's right for a company. I'm guessing it's a completely ego driven philosophy where nothing but information is provided and production values can't contribute to any hype. There's a sweet spot though and ironically, some of the elements of this no frills production can be distracting and dilute the communication! I don't think too many people would complain about a small brand refresh for these videos. BM doesn't have to follow other companies with an unoriginal studio space, you'd think they could create a completely unique area.

It's also funny because their photographic marketing material usually takes on the theme of ultra cool, borderline fantasy/utopian film set, which does not match the low key videos with GP speaking to camera.
 
rob norton said:
It's also funny because their photographic marketing material usually takes on the theme of ultra cool, borderline fantasy/utopian film set, which does not match the low key videos with GP speaking to camera.
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This is so true - and more so 10 years ago they were ahead of their time with their marketing vision even as ridiculous as some of those case-uses and scenarios were.

It worked though...probably more than they ever imagined.
 
NorBro said:
This is so true - and more so 10 years ago they were ahead of their time with their marketing vision even as ridiculous as some of those case-uses and scenarios were.

It worked though...probably more than they ever imagined.
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lol, they'd be cool to have as posters, maybe someone's assembled the whole timeline.
 
Peter C. said:
If were talking about marketing and sales the Japanese companies have a distinct advantage with their mirrorless cameras. They can be sold both to photographers and videographers. In addition they make a large portion of their money on their lenses. Canon in particular has not released their tech for 3rd parties to make R lenses. The BM cameras have a significantly smaller target to sell to, entry level cinema which has to compete with the hybrid mirrorless cameras. They also aren't well suited to run and gun because of their size and lack of c-af. They do fulfill a niche, I'm glad they are here but they don't do what I need.
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Plausible except doesn't account for the Pocket 6K Pro being the current digital cine #1 seller on B&H. Lack of c-af probably not hurting more than ND helping.
 
Refresh the list (choose something else than 'Best Sellers' then go back into 'Best Sellers')...6K Pro is #3. New Fujifilm and a7SIII are currently #1 and #2.

But BM has nothing left to prove with them; the 6K and the 4K were number 1 and 2 most of the time for the last 3-4 years.
 
NorBro said:
Refresh the list (choose something else than 'Best Sellers' then go back into 'Best Sellers')...6K Pro is #3. New Fujifilm and a7SIII are currently #1 and #2.

But BM has nothing left to prove with them; the 6K and the 4K were number 1 and 2 most of the time for the last 3-4 years.
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It's from the product page, not a best sellers list.
 
i have a micro.. but the screen on my gh4 makes it a lot easier to just use fast for a bonnet shot or dashcam shot.

in theory I think it is an excellent shape and size of camera

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no nd on the bigger one.. yawn
 
DLD said:
That's slander!

It shut off before it could set itself on fire.

Unlike Boeing 787 Dreamliner.

Or Samsung's Note 7.

Or that Tesla Model 3 Performance in your garage.
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Don't pick on me, prosecute Alec Baldwin instead. And the multi-cell lead battery in my ZR1 loses charge by 12.7 volts but wins most contests to 200 and I get free squeegee with gas.
 
I think some of the confusion surrounding this release is that many initially think this is a follow up to the Pocket 6K Pro, which leads to this announcement being a 'downgrade'.

But this is just a bump of the Pocket 6K to the updated body of the 6K Pro—together with a few upgrades on the software side.

So, people who want to buy the cheapest possible P6K now have this G2 with a swivel screen and a bit larger battery. For many, though, spending the additional $500 on a Pocket 6K Pro with a "HDR" 1500 nit screen and internal NDs might make more sense.

I'm still pretty sure the general IQ and workflow quality can't be beat at the $1995-2495 price point.

Still hoping for a FF Pocket with RF mount. Price is not an issue for me, assuming it's in the normal BMD price/performance range.
 
Tom Roper said:
When I navigate to HomeProfessional VideoDigital Cine Cameras then sort best sellers, and refresh the page, 6K Pro still shows as #1 seller. Your browser is out of date :grin: or your MB Pro M1 is broken. (more likely), known issue. Upgrade to Windows 95 asap.
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I get R5c, A7SIII, Pocket 6K Pro ... but Pocket 6K Pro says "#1 Best Seller" ... then Fujifilm X-H2S (on order), Pocket 4K, C70, GH6, Pocket 6K, Ronin 4D, etc.

If I clear cache and hit "best sellers" again, I get H2S, A7SIII, 6K Pro (once again, with the #1 Best seller tag), Pocket 4K, R5C, C70, GH-6, Pocket 6K, etc.

The next thing we'll do is to compare the customer ratings. Maybe.
 
DLD said:
If I clear cache and hit "best sellers" again, I get H2S, A7SIII, 6K Pro (once again, with the #1 Best seller tag), Pocket 4K, R5C, C70, GH-6, Pocket 6K, etc.
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Yes, this is it - clear cache and you'll always see the latest.
 
The only thing to offset what I said is BM is less expensive more people can afford both the camera and lenses.

I still stand by what I said because it’s logical. Though I’m not surprised people are jumping to BM defense. We’ve been through this before arguing what B&H website says as proof of anything even though it seems to support my assumption.
 
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Peter C. said:
The only thing to offset what I said is BM is less expensive more people can afford both the camera and lenses.

I still stand by what I said because it’s logical. Though I’m not surprised people are jumping to BM defense. We’ve been through this before arguing what B&H website says as proof of anything even though it seems to support my assumption.
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I own a P4k and its an amazing camera. On paper it may seem odd but its a great camera with a great form factor. I love it minus the lack of AF and OIS. As a professional camera it really is tough to beat it. The P6k is even better. Not just the 6k extra resolution but the latitude is cleaner when pushing the stops a bit harder. Its a tad more forgiving on the extreme ends of resolving details for under and over stops. Plus the Pro has built in ND which is very nice. Lacks AF for gimbal or run&gun use but the built in NDs really help there. The pro also the 5" 1920x1080 screen with 1500 nits of brightness. Having that kind of screen without needing an external monitor is a real game changer. Not to mention the screen tools support that we tend to only get on external displays like false color.

Where the Pockets lack they quickly make up for in other areas. The Pro even bridges many of the gaps the P4k and 6k had. Of course battery life, lack of IBIS and AF are still a reality. Its not for everyone but realistically many using the cameras are using full manual cine lenses anyway so its not really much of a concern for many.

If you feel the camera is not for you then it very likely is not. Do not however rule it out as serious production tool. I know people using them for weddings that are creating some mind blowing work. Maybe they put in more effort than they would with other cameras but the results are there.

To be honest if the cameras had continuous AF I'm not sure it could be trusted very well anyway. I would likely at best be at Panasonic levels or much worse. Its probably best if BMD sticks to doing what they do right. As for IBIS again thats better handled by other tools. They kind of have a post solution now which is not great but nice to have in a pinch to fix something. Again best if BMD focuses on what they do best instead of a less than desirable tacky solution that is not up to the level of Panasonic IBIS. Basically the BMD stabilization solution is like a cheaper camera digital stabilization where it zooms in and moves the video around. Except its done in post where the motion blur is already baked in.
 
Peter, I was where you are, still heavily vested in Sony as well as Canon and Panasonic too.

What's the first thing people say when getting defensive about CAF?

"I know how to manual focus but blah blah is a game changer.

So why don't they include it on Arri or Venice? Why isn't CAF taught in cinema schools?

I'd love to hear your thoughts.
 
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