Other: BlackMagic Cinema camera!!!! 2.5k for 3k...

S16 makes my day... but I can't wait for the day slomo at 1000fps is a piece of cake.

Intra Gh2 still hits the spot pretty well...
 
I like the power input specs. with an adapter cable you could run it for days on cheap 18v lithium drill batteries. Some of the professional chargers will top up the batteries in 15 minutes.

I just hope they offer interchangable mounts, and not hard molded like the mock-up. As cheap as the price point is, and I'd like to have 2, I'd prefer to not have to adapt everything to ef.
 
Guys... it's $3,000 and designed as a minimalist box with as many open features as possible.

You can overcome nearly any shortcoming with that.

... $3,000.

At that price nobody has any right to complain...
 
dop16mm said:
I like the power input specs. with an adapter cable you could run it for days on cheap 18v lithium drill batteries. Some of the professional chargers will top up the batteries in 15 minutes.

I just hope they offer interchangable mounts, and not hard molded like the mock-up. As cheap as the price point is, and I'd like to have 2, I'd prefer to not have to adapt everything to ef.
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Okay, glad someone knows something about power! That scared me a little bit. Haha.
 
The pertinent question in my mind is . . . what do you plan to do with this camera? Seems like you should have a definite plan for that before getting excited about any camera.
 
David Jimerson said:
The pertinent question in my mind is . . . what do you plan to do with this camera? Seems like you should have a definite plan for that before getting excited about any camera.
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Ask the writers and directors that I work for :bath:

Only mostly kidding.
 
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Sorry if this has already been answered, but with the smaller sensor size, will super16mm (or even regular 16mm) lenses cover this sensor?
 
maarek said:
REDUser was full of semi-bashing of this cam already ;)
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Well, this isn't REDuser, and we don't discuss what goes on at other sites here. If they want to "semi-bash," let them. Doesn't need to be carried over to here, and it doesn't need to turn into a REDuser "semi-bash," either.
 
shorty15 said:
Um, actually not. I was there. Many of them were actually pretty excited about it. Too bad the thread got closed.
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Well it's RED user so what do you expect :)
The mods say it's a strictly RED website... so you can't post anything about other cameras (unless it's a comparison review/test) or the thread gets locked :C
 
Another thing to consider about low light quality at least in video is final resolution. In photo world now it is convene that you should compare at a standard size in pixel or print size. The latest example is the Nikon D800 which at pixel level is not as good as the D700 for example but as it has 36 vs 12 megapixel. If you resize them to the same size you gat about a stop better noise because the noise is averaged. This principal is used by DXO with a standard size of 8 megapixel.

So I think in video people should do the same. In this case if someone has to compare it to the 5d3, they should be normalize to the same rez. I am not saying it is going to be that good but if you resize it to 720p (guessing) same level of detail, I might look closer.
 
So the "ZF mount" is really a Nikon mount?? Can anybody at NAB confirm the PL mount or what the ZF mount refers to (other than Zeiss ZF which is Nikon).
 
J Bellari said:
I like where they're going with this concept. REALLY LIKE it...


BUT as far as I can tell, no 3D options, not 4K or beyond, capped at 30fps, not S35 sensor size, least important not so hot for timelapses.

not "revolutionary" here except 2 HUGE pluses:
small price and form factor, with decent workflow.

I'll keep my eyes open for Generation 2 with hopefully 4K,
it seems then it would be a decent crash or B Cam for a Red / Sony / Arri / Canon


Seems like a great pricepoint for indie movie production TODAY, and glad they
LISTEN to the Indie community for a low cost RAW 1080p solution.

I hope GoPro responds with a nice 3D 4K complement to this...

We are truly spoiled at this NAB with awesome options, this is a great cam
and nothing like it for the price and size...
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I was thinking more revolutionary for the price to feature set ratio. For 3k, a super 16 raw movie camera that shoots 2.5k is unbelievable and came out of nowhere. For all those other features you asked for to deserve the revolutionary tag, that's Epic kind of camera that I firmly believe Bmd can deliver for less than half the price of an actual Epic in one year. Why not? This came out of nowhere with no rumors or anything.
 
Erich Ocean said:
I wouldn't be surprised if the problem was that they didn't have access to the micro4/3 electrical specs/protocol to control the aperture on the lens. I know Birger tried to get it, and couldn't.

Man these glass companies are stupid.
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If I am not mistaken the m43 mount is much more open than the Canon/nikon one. This was the only way to get a third mount that could compete with the Canon/Nikon duopoly until now. And the are achieving it, with more and more company releasing lens for the mount.
 
Letzring said:
1: everyone has been whining like sick puppies here for the past two years about the disadvantages of 43 sensor size in terms of DOF. This sensor is smaller.
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I'm actually shocked there isn't much whining about it. Fact is, it is smaller. It's a tradeoff, for sure. Perhaps the era of ridiculously thin DOF has left us for more tolerable imaging.

Letzring said:
2: 1/4" audio in? This is not, nor will it ever be, a "professional" audio interface.
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Agreed, but XLR was obviously too big for their form factor and mini-XLR, if anyone remembers from RED ONE, just ends up being as much of a pain and much more expensive than 1/4". Fortunately, 1/4" can do everything that XLR can for audio...just a matter of durability and locking connection. Big factors, admittedly.

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3: tack-on $1K for a zacuto z-finder or similar (but I don't see an hdmi port in the specs). Maybe someone will come up with a chimney style magnifier and the existing screen has a fine enough pitch to do double duty.
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Obviously doesn't have an EVF. Depending on the screen though...may be quite usable without one.

Letzring said:
4: No one has really seen the material of this camera head-to-head with anything else. The claimed 13 stops is mouth-watering at this price point (it helps that most of the footage I have seen posted was shot in overcast conditions). Everyone should know by now that there is a whole raft of issues that need to be considered, stuff like aliasing, skew, color clipping etc. and it remains to be seen what is really under-the-hood so to say.
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Agreed. It won't be until we see some actual footage from the final software that this will start making sense. 13 stops makes sense with a decent sensor and 12-bit RAW. Aliasing, especially at the 1:1 RAW mode, should be very minimal. As for everything else, I'm sure we'll find out soon enough.

Honestly, resolution and power options are my biggest concerns. But given the price and the "hasty" nature of the footage we are seeing so far, I'm not bothering to worry just yet. I'm holding out for them to post up a few 10 second clips of RAW footage so that we may all have a go at it.
 
Letzring said:
2: 1/4" audio in? This is not, nor will it ever be, a "professional" audio interface.
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According to the specs that someone posted in this thread, it features two balanced 1/4" TRS inputs. It's not as good as balanced locking XLR, but it's certainly the next best thing. Balanced 1/4" TRS is the format that most pros use to connect their studio monitors (powered speakers in the studio). If done right, this camera could sound awesome. Plus it has the ability to switch between Line and Mic (which is key), and it has a headphone out (beyond key). Not too shabbito.
 
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