Black Friday TV Predictions 2017: 4K Prices Will Be Almost as Cheap as 1080p

Josh Bass said:
So are these like NICE 4k TVs? Flatscreens range from low quality off brands to the good stuff. . .so what are talking about here?
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I would suspect they are near the bottom rungs. The top-tier 4K sets, 65", run in the $5000 range. No way that's down to below $1K for a door-buster deal.
 
I guess this begs the question. . .what IS the "good stuff" now? I still have an 2008 era 720p plasma. Looks very nice, picture wise. What is the "new hotness" (i.e. LED/OLED/something else, other features to look for, things to stay away from)?
 
Josh Bass said:
I guess this begs the question. . .what IS the "good stuff" now? I still have an 2008 era 720p plasma. Looks very nice, picture wise. What is the "new hotness" (i.e. LED/OLED/something else, other features to look for, things to stay away from)?
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I would go OLED and HDR. Black is the new black...
 
Josh Bass said:
Good brands? Bad brands? My current is a Panasonic viera.
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If you want OLED here in the US, it's LG or(now) Sony, but Sony is using LG panels. In Europe, Panasonic has a very highly regarded OLED set, but again, it's only available there.
 
Cool. I'm not saying I"m gonna do anything but uh. . .the 42" is a little small for gaming in my new(ish) bigger place at my preferred sitting distance so. . .
 
IMO, OLED crushes the blacks a little too much. You lose a little detail.

I've found that the Sony X900E series delivers a fantastic picture of brilliantly-detailed blacks, for my money better than OLED. It does not hit the true, true, blacks in letterbox bars that OLED does, and that I was always spoiled with watching Panasonic plasma -- not 100% of the time, anyway -- but the shadow detail is superb.
 
I find that with many games, the dark areas are too dark even with the pic profile lightened and brightness in game turned up. And I just don't mean parts of the game where that makes sense like a dark cave. Sure, it looks cool and moody but hard to see what the hell is going on. Design or TV issue? We'll never know.
 
Meanwhile I enjoy my 55“ 1080p plasma way more than my UHD TV. If I‘m watching a blu-ray or any movie I do so on the plasma. The UHD set has been used mainly for TV watching by the family. But I myself don't do very often.
 
IMO, what happens is that OLED will win hands down over the real film geeks, who can watch their UHD Blu-Rays in a specially designed screening room, with sound by Krell Chorus and Martin Logan. Sport fans, video gamers and those having to accept a typical family environment might prefer brighter sets that don't suffer from the motion blur and are easier on the wallet.
 
My girlfriend's parents' TV looks pretty nasty. . .I think some of this is the way they have it set up, but is it possible some of it's just the limitations/quality of the TV/screen itself? Skin tones look funky, shadows are blue/grey. . .etc. I'll say it's a lower end 36/42" (not sure) LED.
 
You might want to go through the menu and see how everything is set up. Chances are that someone reset the original somewhere along the way and its colors, contrast, brightness and saturation are way, way off.
 
Today I walked by a TV showing the new Spiderman trailer at the store. It had that smooth image feature turned ON. Looked like cheap video. Horrible. Can't get over the fact they leave that on in most stores. Shows how much people selling equipment actually knows about the subject. What are they thinking? Are there really people who watch movies with this on? What a waste of the movie's budget. It looks like it was shot on a handheld camcorder when that is turned on.
 
Well. . .again, girlfriend's parents have that permanently on, so everything looks like that. Movies, drama shows, doesn't matter. That means there are people that prefer it. Someone on here said he likes the look because the choppiness of 24p bothers him; there are probably others that feel the same way. Some folks can't tell the difference. Some folks might have grown up on video games which generally brag about being able to run at 60fps, so perhaps that looks "right" to them.

I am with you though.
 
joe1946 said:
Not in the US. I have a 4K TV in the living room and a 4K TV at the foot of the bed in the bedroom using 4K Roku boxes with 4K Netflix movies , 4K Amazon Prime movies etc.
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I live in the U.S. I haven't watched but one or two movies in the past 3 years. I don't have Netflix. I don't have Amazon Prime.

Both of our personal habits are anecdotal. Although I concede that your viewing habit- consumption of Netflix content and frequently watching movies- is more the norm.

So far this year I have shot video professionally roughly 120 days on a wide variety of gigs ranging from broadcast tv to reality tv to bts on feature films to corporate / industrial video. Not one day of that roughly 120 days was I shooting in 4K, even though I was using a 4K-capable camera for most of that work. I get a request for 4K video production only about 1/100th of the time.

An ever-growing percentage of the tv's sold today are 4K sets, but the rate at which 4K tv's are being sold doesn't necessarily tell us all that much as to how many people are watching content in 4K. There are a lot of people who purchase a car capable of going 140 mph but they never drive over 100 mph. The capabilities of vehicles sold doesn't tell us a whole lot about the driving habits of people. There are owners of 4K tv's who never watch anything in 4K.


"I'm guessing, that the younger crowd is much more into their 'personal devices' as opposed to a TV."

^^ That is also the trend that I see. It is rare for my nieces and nephews who are in their early 20's, to sit in front of a large screen tv watching content. Be it alone or as a group. Their content viewing is nearly all via smartphone and iPad / tablet. The content provider they most watch is Youtube. Much of the content on Youtube is in 480p. My nieces and nephews don't care a whole lot about image resolution or picture quality. They are all about content. The subject matter. They really don't care that prank videos or "Musical.ly" videos are not in 4K. I think that is the future. Small screens and content that is short in length with little emphasis placed on image quality. OCD viewing of amateur produced / non-professionally produced content.

4K tv sets have shown strong growth in a declining market. That is, the percentage of all sets sold is increasingly 4K but the overall sales of tv's is on the decline and has been for the past 5 years.
 
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