Black Friday TV Predictions 2017: 4K Prices Will Be Almost as Cheap as 1080p

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Prices on 4K sets in every size category will drop to record lows

The Cheat Sheet: Black Friday TV Predictions
Prices to Expect

32" 720p/1080p
Doorbuster: $70
Average Price: $100

39"/40" 1080p
Doorbuster: $109
Average Off-Brand Price: $150
Average Brand-Name Price: $180

39"/40" 4K
Doorbuster: $170
Average Off-Brand Price: $189
Average Brand-Name Price: $240

42"/43" 1080p
Doorbuster: $180
Average Off-Brand Price: $180
Average Brand-Name Price: $240

49"/50" 1080p
Doorbuster: $179
Average Off-Brand Price: $200
Average Brand-Name Price: $299

49"/50" 4K
Doorbuster: $210
Average Off-Brand Price: $230
Average Brand-Name Price: $420

55" 1080p
Doorbuser: $239
Average Off-Brand Price: $260
Average Brand-Name Price: $320

55" 4K
Doorbuster: $239
Average Off-Brand Price: $280
Average Brand-Name Price: $500

60" 1080p
Doorbuster: $330
Average Brand-Name Price: $350

60" 4K
Doorbuster: $429
Average Brand-Name Price: $589

65" 4K
Doorbuster: $450
Average Off-Brand Price: $470
Average Brand-Name Price: $970

70" 4K
Doorbuster: $879
Average Brand-Name Price: $1,069
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It's amazing how far prices have dropped in the last few years !
 
I think the market is changing.
Who wants to watch tv, the whole family has laptops to watch their netflix series.
 
Not in the US. I have a 4K TV in the living room and a 4K TV at the foot of the bed in the bedroom using 4K Roku boxes with 4K Netflix movies , 4K Amazon Prime movies etc.
 
Once HDR gains traction I think SDR TVs will be virtually unsalable, even if they UHD.
Next to an HDR TV an SDR TV looks broken.
 
I'm waiting for 4k projectors to get cheaper., although the new Optoma is tempting at 2,000, even if it's faux 4k.
 
joe1946 said:
Not in the US. I have a 4K TV in the living room and a 4K TV at the foot of the bed in the bedroom using 4K Roku boxes with 4K Netflix movies , 4K Amazon Prime movies etc.
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Cool. And our house has 4 iPads, 3 iPhones, 2 Kindle fires, 2 laptops and 0 4K TV's. So should I make
assumptions based on that fact? Reality is, this is all over the map. For example, in my location (which
is also in the US).....internet is too slow to stream 4k. So does that mean I should assume that no one
can stream 4K? Depending on certain factors, some people have readily adopted 4K and others have not.
Looking at demographics and geographical/regional area surveys would probably tell much more than just telling
what 'my family and friends' do....anecdotal evidence isn't always accurate. Lots and lots of variables here.

I'm guessing, that the younger crowd is much more into their 'personal devices' as opposed to a TV. This
is just a guess mind you, based on what I see from the younger generation and could be totally wrong,
(anecdotal evidence and all) maybe this is a regional thing and in other places, every kid doesn't seem
to have a phone or tablet that they watch everything on. This isn't always a 'cost' thing either....so just
the fact that 4k TV's are getting cheaper doesn't necessarily mean it is going get the 'mobile device/personal
TV' crowd to adopt a 4K TV. Some interesting social implications here too.
 
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Publimix said:
I think the market is changing.
Who wants to watch tv, the whole family has laptops to watch their netflix series.
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Guess it may depend on the individual and the generation to an extent. Do I watch "TV"(movies/shows) on my iPad? Yes, I do. But no where close to as much as I watch on an actual TV. Tablet/laptop/phone viewing is a great option, especially when traveling or you want to check something out when you aren't home or around a real TV, but the experience is still lacking. Would you rather watch a movie on a tablet or a 92" 1080 set with surround sound or 55" 4K HDR capable set with surround sound(the two main viewing options in my house)?
 
alaskacameradude said:
Cool. And our house has 4 iPads, 3 iPhones, 2 Kindle fires, 2 laptops and 0 4K TV's. So should I make
assumptions based on that fact? Reality is, this is all over the map. For example, in my location (which
is also in the US).....internet is too slow to stream 4k. So does that mean I should assume that no one
can stream 4K? Depending on certain factors, some people have readily adopted 4K and others have not.
Looking at demographics and geographical area surveys would probably tell much more than just telling
what 'my family and friends' do....anecdotal evidence isn't always accurate. Lots and lots of variables here.

I'm guessing, that the younger crowd is much more into their 'personal devices' as opposed to a TV. This
is just a guess mind you, based on what I see from the younger generation and could be totally wrong,
(anecdotal evidence and all) maybe this is a regional thing and in other places, every kid doesn't seem
to have a phone or tablet that they watch everything on. This isn't always a 'cost' thing either....so just
the fact that 4k TV's are getting cheaper doesn't necessarily mean it is going get the 'mobile device/personal
TV' crowd to adopt a 4K TV. Some interesting social implications here too.
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I was in Alaska for two years in the Army so I know Alaska and it's not the same as in every metro area in the lower 48. Here the young generation play all of their PS4 and XBOX ONE console games on large screen TVs. Around this area (NYC metro) we have high speed Xfinity internet from Comcast and others have Verizon Fios Gigabit internet. I watch the 4K video I shoot on my Samsung smartphone and stream it to my large screen 4K Samsung TV in 4K wirelessly using Samsung Smart View. I also have a myriad of 4K UHD blu-ray movies for my Samsung 4K UHD blu-ray player that does not need internet access.
http://www.samsung.com/us/apps/smart-view-2/
http://www.blu-ray.com/4k/
 
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joe1946 said:
I was in Alaska for two years in the Army so I know Alaska and it's not the same as in every metro area in the lower 48. Here the young generation play all of their PS4 and XBOX ONE console games on large screen TVs. Around this area (NYC metro) we have high speed Xfinity internet from Comcast and others have Verizon Fios Gigabit internet. I watch the 4K video I shoot on my Samsung smartphone and stream it to my large screen 4K Samsung TV in 4K wirelessly using Samsung Smart View.
http://www.samsung.com/us/apps/smart-view-2/
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Is Alaska different from every metro area in the
lower 48? I dunno, Anchorage is awfully similar.
We call it the closest city to Alaska. :) But yeah, I
take your point. Similarly, NYC is different from much
of the country. My brother and his family live in Wyoming
and my wife's family lives in several different places in
Montana. My parents have a place in northern Michigan.
I have spent a bit of time in these locations in the last few
years, and guess which one they are more like.....Alaska or NYC?
Again, you can't really go by your NYC experience any more
than I can go by an Alaska one. Metro areas will probably be
more similar to what you are seeing and rural areas closer to
what I am seeing. In general.
 
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Anchorage, Wyoming, Montana and northern Michigan are nothing like the metro areas in this top 10 list.
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joe1946 said:
Anchorage, Wyoming, Montana and northern Michigan are nothing like the metro areas in this top 10 list.
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And not everyone in the U.S. lives in 'metro areas in the top 10 list.' Huge
areas of the country struggle with adequate internet to stream 720p let
alone 1080p. Which is exactly my point. You are looking at things only from
your 'large metro' experience/POV. Lots and lots of people in this country do not
have the same experience that you do. Which is why I said demographics, regional
survey's and the like would probably tell a lot more about these things.......which areas
adopt 4K, probably correspond to the areas that can stream 4k over the internet
as 4k is not really being broadcast yet. If you might notice, I also said I would
guess that metro areas would probably be similar to your experience while rural
areas would be closer to mine. Once again, because of the ability (or inability) to
have adequate high speed bandwidth.
 
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So are these like NICE 4k TVs? Flatscreens range from low quality off brands to the good stuff. . .so what are talking about here?
 
Josh Bass said:
So are these like NICE 4k TVs? Flatscreens range from low quality off brands to the good stuff. . .so what are talking about here?
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The 'really cheap' stuff that I see, tends to be 'off brands'. Not saying that they are bad, but something
like a 70 inch 4K Vizio is usually cheaper than a 70 inch 4K Sony......by quite a bit.
 
alaskacameradude said:
And not everyone in the U.S. lives in 'metro areas in the top 10 list.' Huge
areas of the country struggle with adequate internet to stream 720p let
alone 1080p. Which is exactly my point. You are looking at things only from
your 'large metro' experience/POV. Lots and lots of people in this country do not
have the same experience that you do. Which is why I said demographics, regional
survey's and the like would probably tell a lot more about these things.......which areas
adopt 4K, probably correspond to the areas that can stream 4k over the internet
as 4k is not really being broadcast yet. If you might notice, I also said I would
guess that metro areas would probably be similar to your experience while rural
areas would be closer to mine. Once again, because of the ability (or inability) to
have adequate high speed bandwidth.
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THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 13, 2014
Nearly 8 in 10 Americans Have Access to High-Speed Internet
https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2014/cb14-202.html

I bet it's 9 in 10 today.
https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4354/36417895743_92d606e906_o.jpg
 
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joe1946 said:
THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 13, 2014
Nearly 8 in 10 Americans Have Access to High-Speed Internet
https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2014/cb14-202.html

I bet it's 9 in 10 today.
https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4354/36417895743_92d606e906_o.jpg
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Um.....I'd be taking that bet. This study says that not even 70% of the US has
home broadband.....not to mention is all 'home broadband' considered high speed?
And this study is newer than yours.....

http://www.pewinternet.org/2015/12/21/home-broadband-2015/

Now it all depends on what you consider 'high speed' I suppose.
The latest FCC (2016 study) shows the urban/rural divide even sharper>

4% of urban America lacks 25Mb speed
39% of rural America lacks 25Mb speed
20% of rural America lacks even 4Mb speed

This is something the federal government has recognized and has been talking
about how it is a 'priority' to get high speed internet in rural areas for some time now.
 
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Yeah big country is difficult to wire. Benefits of a small country, 100mbps internet considered normal, next step here, in my village, will be glassfiber with 1000 mbs. That will make 4K interesting.

But younger generation is attached to their smartphones, walking, bycicling, eating. Son is watching illigal streaming baseball on PC, studying doughter doesn't want TV, she uses Laptop and smartphone too.

I think the industry is already dumping the 4K sets to make place for the next generation of HDR sets. Product live cycles become shorter and shorter.
 
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