Birger Mount

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chervas said:
I have to disagree on the blame part. I only blame myself
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Just a quick side story, and the reason I said previously I was burned once majorly by Panasonic. This dates back fifteen years or so. Does anyone remember the AJ-D200? Panasonic's entre into the brave new world of DVCPRO. With a whopping 800 lines of resolution it was going to revolutionize the industry, and Panasonic was gung ho and committed to the camera...or so they said. It was bundled with a lens that was rather lackluster, but Panasonic had other lenses with model numbers and all that they promised us they were going to manufacture. They never did, and the lens opening was a non-standard 1/3". They had a product in their catalog for 2 years that was a 1/3 to 2/3 lens mount adapter specifically designed for the the camera. We waited and waited for them to sell this adapter. They never did. Sounds eerily similar right?

I understand what you are saying. There is some veracity to the old adage: "Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me." I can't help feeling stupid for trusting Panasonic after my previous experience, but I still can't help having some very harsh feelings for Panasonic right about now.
 
Since release is coming soon I would like to see some specs. if it provides full iris, focus and IS. How it's powering and what functions the focus wheel provides.
 
editman said:
Looking at the first to be released Sony F3 adapter there seams to be buttons on top for aperture +/-. So is the release order F3/AF100/FS100?
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I seem to remember Erik stating the F3 uses the same protocol as RED, & since Birger already has an EOS adapter for RED it wouldn't surprise me if it was easier to implement then the AF100's.
 
Jan_Crittenden said:
Hi,

Will be showing the Live Lens Adapter at the VMI Show in Seattle on October 5th.

See you there?

Best,

Jan
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This is from the thread on the RR mount. Quite dismayed to see that Panasonic is now showcasing the RR mount. Hopefully they are demo-ing a functionable Birger mount as well. I would like to just have someone honestly address this situation.
 
eagle_eye said:


I would like to just have someone honestly address this situation.
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Since Birger has had zero integrity or forthrightness when it comes to standing by their time-tables and communicating with their customers, we can't expect them to start now. I've never before been disgusted with a manufacturer, but they've prompted a "first."
 
eagle_eye said:


This is from the thread on the RR mount. Quite dismayed to see that Panasonic is now showcasing the RR mount. Hopefully they are demo-ing a functionable Birger mount as well. I would like to just have someone honestly address this situation.
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It would be pretty stupid on Panasonics part (Jan) to back a product (Birger) going forward if they expect more delays. It will just make them look bad. It's only good sense to use something that is already selling, and not being pushed back, date after date.

And to eagle eye. I don't think Panasonic ever to my knowledge stated that they would be making an adapter for canon glass. It was all up to third party developers. The harsh feelings should not be to Panasonic in my opinion. I feel they delivered exactly what they said they would. It's not like you can't use the camera. There are adapters for every other type of glass out there.
 
swanny said:
It would be pretty stupid on Panasonics part (Jan) to back a product (Birger) going forward if they expect more delays. It will just make them look bad. It's only good sense to use something that is already selling, and not being pushed back, date after date.

And to eagle eye. I don't think Panasonic ever to my knowledge stated that they would be making an adapter for canon glass. It was all up to third party developers. The harsh feelings should not be to Panasonic in my opinion. I feel they delivered exactly what they said they would. It's not like you can't use the camera. There are adapters for every other type of glass out there.
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As I said previously Swanny, others are entitled to their opinion and I am entitled to mine. Up until a few weeks ago, it was the Birger mount that Panasonic was showcasing at their exhibits. I think if you go back you a ways in these posts, you will find a Panasonic representative encouraging people to check out the Birger mount. And to dispute your other statement, without full lens control, this camera is not suitable for run and gun. I can still use it, but with great limitations. Panasonic blatantly marketed the AF100 to Canon owners, with the Birger mount as a complete solution. It was stupid for them to do this in the first place.
 
eagle_eye said:
As I said previously Swanny, others are entitled to their opinion and I am entitled to mine. Up until a few weeks ago, it was the Birger mount that Panasonic was showcasing at their exhibits. I think if you go back you a ways in these posts, you will find a Panasonic representative encouraging people to check out the Birger mount. And to dispute your other statement, without full lens control, this camera is not suitable for run and gun. I can still use it, but with great limitations. Panasonic blatantly marketed the AF100 to Canon owners, with the Birger mount as a complete solution. It was stupid for them to do this in the first place.
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I'm not saying we are not entitled to our opinions at all, that's what makes these boards what they are, I'm just saying Panasonic has nothing to do with the making of the Birger mount. I'm sure they were excited to hear that Birger was going to make a mount for canon glass, as were all of us, but to think it's panasonic's fault it's not released yet, isn't right.
I use my AF100 for 60% of my work being run and gun, using Nikon mount glass and Olympus lenses. I haven't had a problem with it at all. I have "full lens control" using the novaflex adapter, if what you mean by full lens control being Aperture, focus and zoom.
 
swanny said:
I'm not saying we are not entitled to our opinions at all, that's what makes these boards what they are, I'm just saying Panasonic has nothing to do with the making of the Birger mount. I'm sure they were excited to hear that Birger was going to make a mount for canon glass, as were all of us, but to think it's panasonic's fault it's not released yet, isn't right.
I use my AF100 for 60% of my work being run and gun, using Nikon mount glass and Olympus lenses. I haven't had a problem with it at all. I have "full lens control" using the novaflex adapter, if what you mean by full lens control being Aperture, focus and zoom.
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No, actually I mean it will do my laundry and cook for me.

Panasonic has had everything to do with marketing the AF100 and the Birger mount together as a complete solution for owners Canon glass. I would not have bought it had they not. I'm glad you can use your camera to it's full potential with your Nikon lens; I cannot do the same with my Canon lenses. At NAB, they showcased a product that would purportedly allow full control of Canon L-series lenses. Now they are silent about the Birger mount. I am upset with Panasonic, and I think I have a reason to be. I think I've made my point, and I'll leave it at that.
 
Okay, wait -- "disappointed" that Panasonic is showing a working product? What kind of thinking is that? The product exists, so they're showing it. How can anyone be "disappointed" with that?

Panasonic isn't marketing the Birger adapter. They showed a prototype of a product -- at the same time, showing working or prototype versions of a couple of dozen other products. Should they just not ever show anything?

Be upset if you want -- but being realistic is probably a more productive attitude.
 
Where has panasonic themselves marketed the Birger besides bringing it to shows? On dvxuser, Barry started the thread about the Birger, and the users hyped it up for the AF100, not panasonic themselves as I understand it. I see and understand your frustrations, but we all were faced with the same problem. Keep the Af100 on the shelf until we could use our canon lenses, or buy lenses so we could make a buck with with cam.
 
eagle_eye said:
Great, where can i buy it? What are the specs? Maybe you know Barry, but myself and many others have been left in the dark and continuously misled.
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The Redrock product exists, you can buy it from redrockmicro.com. You can read all the specs on it there as well. This shouldn't be news to anyone, there have been many posts about this.

As for Birger, the product doesn't exist yet. As to why they didn't show a prototype at the show, that's a question for Jan and Birger to answer, I don't know anything about that.
 
its anther big despoilment for everyone especially after saying that On 27 September the shipping date will be announced! and now no new messages on twiter. I already had my visa on table on 28th, and "ops i did it again"... if its not ready - its not ready , but they could at least put together a few test clips with prototype showing how other functions like AF or IS working... that would be interesting to watch and discuss for now....
 
I refused to use the Canon optics with Birger adapter because there is no time to wait, you need to work now. Now he has one customer less. With promises lens to the camera is not attach.
 
The only reason for the birger adapter being late must be their lack of funds to complete this project in time. Because if they had the cash to complete it in time they would have sold a unit to all of us instead of loosing to red rock and now maybe even mtf.
 
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