Birger Mount

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Thanks for posting this Darren! Much appreciated. Wish I could have been there; darn clients always seem to know when you're trying to get away to something interesting....
 
The AF100 Birger adapter will be out in December, before the camera is rele... umm... wait, oh, sorry, that was the first announcement from sometime last year.
 
You Canon lens afficiandos must be so patient , so staunch and so up to the challenge of using such a clunky solution.

I admire you all for your faith and the 9v battery manufacturers thank you also.
 
soarprod said:
I want power to the IS system - don't need autofocus.
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What exactly is your point? I don't see a product being released with one but not the other. I could care less about image stabilization, but I'll take it if it is available. In my opinion, it's either going to be aperture only (no communication), or it going to fully communicate between the lens and camera. The longer the delay, the more I disbelieve that the mount will communicate between the two. I do get a kick out of the fact that so many shooters here discount the potential advantages of auto-focus, because they are so good the don't need it (chuckles). If you don't see any positive in the added feature in the work that you expect to do or do with the AF100, so be it. It is a feature that if works properly could beneficially improve certain real life shooting situations.

Anyways, if Birger does not give their potential clients the benefit of an update soon (and I mean days), I will give up on Birger, and I will give up on Panasonic products. I'm sure this will come as a great relief to those of you sick of my rants.
 
Anyways, if Birger does not give their potential clients the benefit of an update soon (and I mean days), I will give up on Birger, and I will give up on Panasonic products. I'm sure this will come as a great relief to those of you sick of my rants.
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When were Birger and Panasonic mutually inclusive in any consideration of what hardware to buy?

I do get a kick out of the fact that so many shooters here discount the potential advantages of auto-focus, because they are so good the don't need it (chuckles). If you don't see any positive in the added feature in the work that you expect to do or do with the AF100, so be it. It is a feature that if works properly could beneficially improve certain real life shooting situations.
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Thats the way that the cine professionals roll.
 
I think that people don't care so much about the autofocus, because it most likely won't be fast enough to be worth a darn. It certainly won't be as fast any ENG style camera. I just think the autofocus is something that I don't see as being a good attribute, unlike IS and aperture control. Aperture control being a must have, the IS being a very nice feature and the autofocus being something the AF100 was never designed for. If I need autofocus, I grab a different cam, which is almost never now.
On a side note, I shoot run and gun stuff and live weddings 70% of the time, and don't have a problem with autofocus. Try it out on the 14-140, which is supposed to be pretty fast auto focus, or the fastest auto focus lens with the AF100 and let me know if it's too slow for you. It certainly was for me, so in that respect, I don't see how it can be of any real use.
 
swanny said:
Try it out on the 14-140, which is supposed to be pretty fast auto focus, or the fastest auto focus lens with the AF100 and let me know if it's too slow for you. It certainly was for me, so in that respect, I don't see how it can be of any real use.
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Thanks Swanny that is very helpful information. I will demo the Lumix like you suggest. I guess in hindsight I should have done that in the first place before buying the AF100. I have no interest in owning a Lumix lens. Especially if it is as slow as you say. I got caught up in the hype, and the Birger/Panasonic marketing machine. It may just be my perception, but I feel like Panasonic is now putting more emphasis on the AF100 being a film style camera. Perhaps code speak for, "Auto-focus on this camera sucks balls". The fact that they were showing the same prototype from last years NAB, and Jan has "no idea" about any model with features that have been touted by Erik since last year sucks. I will buy the Redrock mount.
 
i've decided to sell my AF - will be putting it up next week and cancelling my order with cvp for the burger . Time to move on!! i've been using the 5d more and just have not found the af's sweet spot. No one to blame but myself for jumping the gun and selling all my beautiful L series FD Glass on the promise of a .......

bye bye birger mount thread

hope it has a happy ending:/
 
Autofocus no, but focus control for follow focus, yes provided motor noise is not an issue. And IS for lenses that have that capability.
 
Just got this from RULE:

"WEEKLY TEXPO UPDATE
Check out the updated list of TEXPO vendors and featured products that you'll
see on Tuesday along with a variety of rental gear in the Apollo Room
and sales gear in the Showroom:

Birger:Canon EF to Sony PMW-F3 lens adapter & electronic focus wheel."

...so after nearly a year of promises, this is what we get, not even a mention of a fully functional, final form adapter for the AF100.
 
sofresh said:
i've lost faith:(
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Me too. In fact, I will not buy this product now, even if it ever does come out. The whole "Birger" fiasco does not give me a warm and fuzzy about any level of reliability (mostly after the sale) of the company.

Its too bad too. I would venture a guess to say that Birger will not make the money from this product they would have had it launched when originally said. The mount would have sold like hot cakes had it launched when the camera did. Now, I suspect, not so much. I think people (some) will still buy it, but not at the numbers they would have at camera launch.

The mount may eventually appear...and most likely be nice. But from a purely "business" standpoint, it's a failure...a company failure.

Regards,

G.
 
sofresh said:
i've decided to sell my AF - will be putting it up next week and cancelling my order with cvp for the burger . Time to move on!! i've been using the 5d more and just have not found the af's sweet spot. No one to blame but myself for jumping the gun and selling all my beautiful L series FD Glass on the promise of a .......

bye bye birger mount thread

hope it has a happy ending:/
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There continues to be a lot of entertainment value in this thread, but more like a car wreck that you just can't help but stare at.

So let me try to parse your logic on this. . .you are going to sell the AF100 because an unrelated manufacturer has failed to deliver a proposed product that would have allowed you to use a third manufacturer's lenses (with all their automatic features) and (!) on the basis of this theoretical/proposed product you disposed of a set of perfectlly useable lenses that you could have used with the AF100.

I sort of used to enjoy the old set of Guinness beer commercials where the animated dude would yell "BRILLIANT"
 
That's exactly what I did,stupid I know. As an interim I bought the voightlander and panny14-140 but really haven't enjoyed them. Cameras more than made its money back so like I said,time to move on. The next owner is gonna be very happy I'm sure
 
So let me try to parse your logic on this. . .you are going to sell the AF100 because an unrelated manufacturer has failed to deliver a proposed product that would have allowed you to use a third manufacturer's lenses (with all their automatic features) and (!) on the basis of this theoretical/proposed product you disposed of a set of perfectlly useable lenses that you could have used with the AF100.
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Sounds like the synopsis of a bad dramatic film ... :^(
 
eagle_eye said:
I got caught up in the hype, and the Birger/Panasonic marketing machine.
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There is no Birger/Panasonic Marketing Machine. Anything we say about Erik"s product is what he says. It will be great when his product hits the market, but it has proven to be more difficult that he originally thought. I have enough issues working my own marketing machine. ;_)

eagle_eye said:
It may just be my perception, but I feel like Panasonic is now putting more emphasis on the AF100 being a film style camera.
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This must be your perception because this is what we have said from Day One. In fact the customers that helped to design it were all cinematographers, with deep backgrounds in film and filmmaking.

eagle_eye said:
The fact that they were showing the same prototype from last years NAB, and Jan has "no idea" about any model with features that have been touted by Erik since last year sucks. I will buy the Redrock mount.
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As far as my not having any idea, and having that discredit the Birger product, that is ridiculous. I know he is working on a wireless product but since I don't work for Birger I am not privy to his R & D. I fully expect that his product will show up. And I know it will be a good product. But damning Erik's product because I don't know anything about the details, you guys need to just take a deep breath. The Red Rock product is a nice product, it doesn't do as much but it does get the primary job done.

Best regards,

Jan
 
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