Best Rugged Indoor/Outdoor Boom Mic

ShamrockFilms

ShamrockFilms

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I need a mic great for guerrilla filmmaking, something you can really beat the crap out of and still has a good overall sound for both interior and exterior dialogue. It should power by Phantom Power.

I heard the [FONT=Arial, Helvetica][SIZE=-1] Audio Technica AT897 is great for both indoor and outdoor use and is a rugged mic.

Or is the Rhode NT-3 the way to go?

I searched the topic, but no topics on "rugged" indoor/outdoor boom mics. There has to be one boom mic you can use both indoor and outdoor, although I never hear of one. Thanks in advance.
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Sennheiser MKH series is the most rugged mics out there. As to indoor/outdoor, no such mic exists. By which I mean, the shotgun/lobar pattern will not work well in reflective environments. The hyper mic does not have the off-axis rejection needed for most outdoor shots. Some mic like the Sanken cs3e are more versatile then others but no mic works well in all situations....if there was one we would all own it.

Cheers
 
wabbit said:
Sennheiser MKH series is the most rugged mics out there. As to indoor/outdoor, no such mic exists. By which I mean, the shotgun/lobar pattern will not work well in reflective environments. The hyper mic does not have the off-axis rejection needed for most outdoor shots. Some mic like the Sanken cs3e are more versatile then others but no mic works well in all situations....if there was one we would all own it.

Cheers
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So you basically have to buy one boom mic for interiors and another boom mic for exteriors? Is there a mic that has attachments? instead of having to buy a second mic?
 
The AKG blueline se300b is a modular system that has a hyper cap (ck93) for indoor and a shotgun ck98 for outside. The 'one mic to rule them all' thread discusses this. The hyper is considered by many superior to the oktava with less handling noise and the shotgun is considered good but not amazing. (below the AT4073A). This is probaly the cheapest solution that is good if you are looking for one mic that I have found

Looking at your shooting style (documentary, long takes and one camera) you might also consider going with wireless as well. You can pick up the Sennheiser G2 for around $500 a set, or rent lectro from a company like Talamas in boston. The one problem I have found is clothing noise and you need to figure out how to lav someone correctly. Good luck.
 
bosindy said:
The AKG blueline se300b is a modular system that has a hyper cap (ck93) for indoor and a shotgun ck98 for outside. The 'one mic to rule them all' thread discusses this. The hyper is considered by many superior to the oktava with less handling noise and the shotgun is considered good but not amazing. (below the AT4073A). This is probaly the cheapest solution that is good if you are looking for one mic that I have found
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Thank you. Is this it here?
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/349107-REG/AKG__Blue_Line_Series_Microphone.html

I know this wouldn't be one mic, but how about the AT4073A for interiors and the RHODE NT-3 for exteriors? Is that a good set up?
 
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ShamrockFilms said:
Thank you. Is this it here?
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/349107-REG/AKG__Blue_Line_Series_Microphone.html

I know this wouldn't be one mic, but how about the AT4073A for interiors and the RHODE NT-3 for exteriors? Is that a good set up?
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That's it with the hyper cap, in addition you would also need the shotgun cap http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produ...8_CK98_Hyper_Cardioid_Shotgun_Microphone.html

The AT4073A is a shotgun so that would be for exteriors. Everyone seems to love that mic for a shotgun and the oktava for interiors. Didn't I see that you own the oktava?
 
Shamrock,

Generally speaking, shotguns are for interiors, hypercardiods and supercardiods are for interiors. What is of primary concern for you is the skill set of your boom op. If you're working with novice boomers you need more forgiving mics. Many mixers have multiple sets of mics depending on the conditions they're working in.

If you look at my collection, I have:

AT897 - used in situations where it can be destroyed and not cost too much to replace (i.e. the herring processing plant I recorded in once
4073a - used with novice boom ops for exteriors - it has a more forgiving pattern
Sennheiser 416 - used on exteriors when I have a great boom op
Octava with hyper cap - interiors, moderate to experienced boom op (it is subject to a bit of handling noise)
Schoeps 641 - interiors with experienced boom ops
Rode NT5 - cardioid for interiors with novice boom ops - very forgiving pattern

So, as you can see, it ultimately isn't just one mic that is going to serve your needs - you're going to need a mix. Note too that I am not set up for any on-camera mic situations. I will not work with an on-camera mic.

Hope this helps...

Phil
 
ptalsky said:
Shamrock,

Generally speaking, shotguns are for interiors, hypercardiods and supercardiods are for interiors. What is of primary concern for you is the skill set of your boom op. If you're working with novice boomers you need more forgiving mics. Many mixers have multiple sets of mics depending on the conditions they're working in.

If you look at my collection, I have:

AT897 - used in situations where it can be destroyed and not cost too much to replace (i.e. the herring processing plant I recorded in once
4073a - used with novice boom ops for exteriors - it has a more forgiving pattern
Sennheiser 416 - used on exteriors when I have a great boom op
Octava with hyper cap - interiors, moderate to experienced boom op (it is subject to a bit of handling noise)
Schoeps 641 - interiors with experienced boom ops
Rode NT5 - cardioid for interiors with novice boom ops - very forgiving pattern

So, as you can see, it ultimately isn't just one mic that is going to serve your needs - you're going to need a mix. Note too that I am not set up for any on-camera mic situations. I will not work with an on-camera mic.

Hope this helps...

Phil
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It sure does help. Fantastic. Thank you Phill.
 
let say i finished intire doco **** with hyper in and out ( geffel 210)
thats my favor these days
ok no roads or city rumble , but behind ascen of arock consert , does it counts ?
- ohh so good mic
 
the rode nt3 won't fit in standard shockmounts and wind protection. I would go for the akg blueline with hyper cap if you don't like the oktava.
 
Oleg 2 said:
let say i finished intire doco shi* with hyper in and out ( geffel 210)
thats my favor these days
ok no roads or city rumble , but behind ascen of arock consert , does it counts ?
- ohh so good mic
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Was it mainly dialogu in/ext? I'd love to see a trailer or piece of it. Like your style. That's a $1,500 mic no?
 
if you have israeli channel 2 it would be there -)in a month or 2
SHLOMO ARTZI - new show-Shfuim ( sanes)

thats 1080 usd mic( 1150in usa)-
 
yep mainly to catch the ineteractions between the musicians and the old rocker ( he doesnt like be wired so that was ttotal boom job)
 
Everytime Oleg mentions another German mic, I find out that it´s a little cheaper in the US than in Germany itself...
Well, same goes for the Sankens in Japan...
Are these the benefits of globalization :2vrolijk_08: ?
 
ShamrockFilms said:
I know this wouldn't be one mic, but how about the AT4073A for interiors and the RHODE NT-3 for exteriors? Is that a good set up?
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I second the thumbs down, I own the 4073a and its crap indoors small rooms, but great huge rooms high ceilings?
 
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