Best format for concert event and music videos?

Stevet

Stevet

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I will be using the HVX200 to shoot concert video and music videos.

I want to shoot in 720P so I can offer an HD version when the medium becomes available next year.

My current target is DVD. Later, I will be ready for some version of HD DVD.

I will have to down-rez the 720P to 480P for DVD distribution.

My questions are - given all the available 720P formats: 60P, 30P, 24P, which one would you choose :

To shoot a concert event?

To shoot a music video?

I realize the storage difference and I'm not concerned, I just want the best dang looking footage poosible.

Thanks, Steve
 
I'd probably go with 30p or 60p for event type stuff. Music videos are generally shot at 24fps and utilize different frame rates for fast/slow motion effects.

Of course, experimenting is the only real way to find out what you like best =)
 
I would shoot music videos in 720 24P.
for live concerts......get another camera.
(unless it's low budget and your not projecting or broadcasting the
event live)
 
esperman said:
I would shoot music videos in 720 24P.
for live concerts......get another camera.
(unless it's low budget and your not projecting or broadcasting the
event live)
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You're not saying not to use the HVX200 for live concert events are you?
If so, why?
I will have access to two HVX200s for the live concert events.

Steve
 
Keep in mind, I said "(unless it's low budget and your not projecting or broadcasting the
event live)"

Is it being projected for imag or being broadcast live? If you said yes, then I'm saying that.
Why?

1. You can't engineer it and adjust the ccd's
2. You can't rig it with a good studio kit.
3. Not enough lense unless your up close and personal.
4. 2 camera's for most music concerts is not enough.

If your thinking steadycam or small jib..sure. Main camera's? No way.
 
Nothing on the market right now will allow you to film for over more than 100 minutes I think. Unless you hook it up to a laptop or some hd recording deck that most of us don't have access to (I'm trying to refer to that first video shoot with the HVX when I say this), you're gonna have a heck of a time trying to keep it going. Especially with two cameras, because you're gonna want to sync them up, right? You're gonna have to have like 2 P2 cards for each camera, hard drives or laptops for each one, or it's gonna be very very difficult to film.

I think.
 
I think 60p would give you the truest "live feel" if that's enough HD rez for you. 60p would look the smoothest and most like "reality" because of it's extremely high temporal sampling.

My wife made me watch a country concert with her the other night (Kenny Chesney, ugh, I even know the artist's names now) and it was interesting to watch, strictly from a hd geek perspective. It looked like it mixed a bit of 24p in actual live shots, along with either 60i or 60p. I believe it aired on ABC, and they broadcast 720p, so it might have actually been Panasonic 24/60p stuff. I actually liked the mix of looks, and if I were to shoot concerts, I think I'd go that route. Gave it a little bit of an edge. That said, you can do the same thing in 1080i with the HVX.

What would be an interesting experiment would be to mix under and overcrank stuff in a 60p recording of a concert. Probably be a little weird looking, but might be fun in small doses. At least the HVX would give you this option. (assuming you have multi-cam shoot)
 
Thanks everyone for replying.

Fortunately, the live concert is more of a rehearsed live concert music video.

We have spans of maybe two songs than a pause for maybe 15 minutes in between.

I intend to shoot in 720P on both HVXs which time code will be set to Free Run to lock them together.

Like I mentioned in my initial post, I am targeting DVD, but want to shoot in 720P to be able to offer an HD version once the medium is available next year.


I like the idea of shooting 720 60P, for the the actual concert and maybe blending in some 24P stuff.

I may be forced to stick to 720 24P since the 720 60P or 30P only allows 8 minutes on an 8GB P2.

Well, since the live event is more of a live music video, we could probably do it song by song.

I am using a Mackie SR24 console with an Alesis HD24 to multitrack the audio.

Steve
 
Stevet,

You've hit on one of the biggest challenges people will face with the HVX. TRT per P2 load will force you to rethink how you shoot anything. In a "Live!" scenario, you'll have to hot swap with a pocket full of P2 or have an assistant operator doing the download as quickly as possible to sustain your shots. I can see how this would become a huge problem for a multicam shoot when TC breaks will kill your time saving effort in post with a multicam sync.

You'll be a pioneer in the P2 workflow...
 
Thanks stephenlnoe,

Well, since I will be able to have breaks after each song, I will have enough time to dump the footage to an external firewire drive.

If I stick with 720 24P, that's good for 20 minutes of record time.

We should be ok. This Spring, by the time the firestore and other possibilites hit the market,
I will be ready for longer record time projects.


Steve
 
Actually, if you could keep hot-swapping them and off-loading the other cards at the same time you wouldn't have a TC break. You would have a giant continuous clip. Divided in in multiple short ones, but still...
 
There's no such thing as a TC break anyway. The P2 system's metadata will link clips together automatically, so in your NLE the file would be imported as one huge clip. It knows how to link to files across cards, etc.
 
That's not exactly how P2/XDcam ingest works (at least in my NLE). The MXF files are discrete files on P2 (even when spanned across several P2 cards).

Barry, I was referring to the assistant transferring the cards in enough time to get them back in the camera to avoid (for lack of a better term) a TC break (or IOW a gap in time). Non continuous shooting for a multicam is a pain in the arse to edit.
 
stephenlnoe said:
That's not exactly how P2/XDcam ingest works (at least in my NLE). The MXF files are discrete files on P2 (even when spanned across several P2 cards).

Barry, I was referring to the assistant transferring the cards in enough time to get them back in the camera to avoid (for lack of a better term) a TC break (or IOW a gap in time). Non continuous shooting for a multicam is a pain in the arse to edit.
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For the project I mentioned, I'm not concerned. The Free Run mode on the HVX200s will sync their clocks. I can stop a go on both at any time and still have the clock reference. I will also have one of the HVX200s take a live audio feed from the console, just to use as an audio sync reference.
As far as editing...no problem

Steve
 
stephenlnoe said:
Steve,

Just having fun talking about workflow.
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Thanks stephenlnoe.
I enjoy reading your posts!
I'm looking forward to the HVX200. If it doesn't live up to it's expectations, well, there's always next year! I have faith in Panny though.

Let's all hope for the best.
By the way, I was real close on the HD100, I just could not live with the SSE issue.
Though, I have seen some dang nice footage from it! So, it's possible to work around it., or have a camera that the SSE does not show at 0dB.

I know Barry had some bad luck with his.
No doubt, he unfortunately got one that had other issues too (soft focus I believe?). To bad, since he's one person a distrubutor would try to make sure the camera he's buying is the best possible.

Steve
 
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