Bebob Foxi Impressions

Opcode

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16x9 Inc has finally been receiving more shipments of the Bebob Foxi follow focus system. I received mine yesterday and thought I'd put up an initial impression for those who have been contemplating a purchase.

First I'd like to say that this is just an initial impression and I have not had time to really put it to test. I have not verified the accuracy of the focus repeatability. I'm only commenting on my initial impressions and opinions.

The unit comes with an offset block that allows you to attach it to the controller and helps separate it from the camera when attached to support rods. The kit also comes with an extra marking strip to replace the one that is included stock.

The foxi attaches to the LANC input via a coiled cable and allows manual control of both iris and focus. One of the nice things about it that the focus knob uses a 270 degree hard stop and allows you roll through the full focus range of the camera in single twist.

The focus knob uses a friction based resistance which gives a bit more fine control, however, I found that the resistance is bit too much for my liking and as far as I know, not adjustable. If you are pulling focus while panning or tilting by yourself, it is possible that turning could affect the smoothness of the shot depending on how fast you need to rack.

The question is whether the foxi is a replacement for a well engineered manual follow focus and the simple answer is that it is not. The Foxi uses an electronic system that drives the internal focusing servos. As such, it is limited by the speed and resolution of the analog input. A manually geared follow focus will give you finer control and provides more sensitivity to allow minor adjustments.

I haven't really played with the varizoom but I believe the foxi is a significant step up over it given the aforementioned features. Having a 270 degree throw just gives you more control.

At a price point of 465.00, it offers a good low cost alternative to a full follow focus system for the budget minded but I would definitely say it's not a replacement for a well made geared follow focus system by the professional manufacturers.
 
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The focus ring also uses the same servo so I'm not so sure you get better resolution and response with a mechanical follow focus.
The microjack connector is not a LANC connector, but a special Panasonic connector.
Thank you for the report.
 
I played with one at Abel Cine Tech the other day, and was pretty impressed...A device such as this is sorely needed for these cameras lacking true focus barrels.
 
Opcode, is there any chance you could open up your foxy and take some pics? I would really like to know how it works so us DIY guys can make ourselves one. ;')

Thanks
Ben
 
I'd be interested in your results and observations after some real world use. I"m looking to get one for the concerts I shoot.. and the talking head convention work that pops up from time to time. With a marshall monitor.. and my two tripod arms... would be quite a nice studio style kit...

Seems like a better design than the varizoom.. and that is awesome as I love the Lac varizoom I have for my XL1. Got so used to shooting with it.. that it's hard to shoot without one.


Have you bought the zoom controller as well?
 
bena said:
Opcode, is there any chance you could open up your foxy and take some pics? I would really like to know how it works so us DIY guys can make ourselves one. ;')

Thanks
Ben
You mean open up the guts and let you reverse engineer it? It's got screws so it looks like it can be safely opened but I don't know how ethical that would be of me. I can't do it at this time anyways because I've got jobs that are dependent on a fully functioning foxi.

From an engineering perspective though you'll need to find out what the camera expects signal wise going in through the LANC imput. My guess the rotary dial is a simple pot/variable resistor and not some fancy digital encoder. If you are EE saavy you may be able to make your own.
 
Justyn said:
I'd be interested in your results and observations after some real world use. I"m looking to get one for the concerts I shoot.. and the talking head convention work that pops up from time to time. With a marshall monitor.. and my two tripod arms... would be quite a nice studio style kit...

Seems like a better design than the varizoom.. and that is awesome as I love the Lac varizoom I have for my XL1. Got so used to shooting with it.. that it's hard to shoot without one.


Have you bought the zoom controller as well?

I don't own the Zoe controller but I'm seriously considering getting one. I'll definitely be putting the unit to the test as I'll be shooting another feature next week.

My guess is that you'd be very happy with it. If you like the varizoom, then foxi is a significant step up. You'd have a very sweet concert shoot setup with the dual pan arms, foxi on one and zoe on the other.
 
Opscode.. I think it would be sweet as well... I also know I'll use this more than a focus control.. but I'd be getting one of those as well. I'm interested to see what the Redrock suite will cost.. Looks great and if it's all for under 1500-2K, would be a great deal...
 
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VariZoom

Opcode,

This is Tom from VariZoom. With all due respect you really need to do some more investigating. I wish you would before you say anymore about VariZoom especially since you have not yet used the VariZoom.

Your camera does not have a lanc port.

You mentioned 270 degrees "gives you more control" VariZoom has 310 degrees. It is "a significant step up" I think you would need to actually compare the two products to make that statement.

You said the $465. Fox is a low cost alternative. My VariZoom PFI is $199.

I understand you are simply reporting your first impressions but since you mention and compare it to my product, that you "haven't really played with", I think it is important to bring in some more perspective for the readers.


Thanks for the report.

Tom

www.varizoom.com
 
Thank you Tom for responding and I'm glad you did. You make a very important point that I want to re-iterate if I had failed to properly in my original post. I do not own and have very little experience with the Varizoom. And I do not intend to make any sleights against your product. I have indeed used it, albeit briefly and my impression is based on very little experience with both products.

I also stand corrected that it is not a lanc port but a focus/iris port.

When I say a "significant step up", I refer to an enhancement to usability in the form of a large dial that can be rod mounted, and marking strips for both focus and iris. I think we all know that the angle of rotation is a fairly meaningless measure of rotation when it comes to sensitivity in and of itself. The foxi simply offers more focus control by virture of having a larger circumference with which to adjust focus allowing the utilization of the hands and wrists. Some people may prefer otherwise, but I don't. I intended the mention of angle of rotation to illustrate the difference in comparison to the hvx's focus ring, but I carelessly let it slip into the wrong place and made an inadvertent argument.

And yes, to be fair, Varizoom does offer an even lower cost alternative to expensive mechanical systems which I don't dispute.

I was trying to avoid any direct comparisons between products because it was neither my intention nor place to compare products. But I think it's not too unfair to mention them considering the foxi is over twice the price of your equivalent product. One would expect a "signifcant step up" at the price difference.

I hope readers do understand that they are both viable alternatives at difference price points.
 
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As a user of both Varizoom and Bebob products, it's easy for me to say that the Zoe and Foxi are far far superior to their Varizoom counterparts. Varizoom makes some great stuff for their "pro" line, but their Pannasonic offerings fall short IMHO.

The Bebob products are more expensive yes, however I feel they are well worth it. The build quality is also better. If you can spare the $$$ go with Bebob. Budget minded folks will also be please with the Varizoom line.

PS...the Zoe and Foxi look cooler! :D
 
I think a shootout will be in order.. or maybe a review by Barry or Jared.... I have the varizoom for my XL1 and love it. The bebob.. looks sweet too and I love the ability to put focus marks and all that jazz.... Maybe make it somewhat repeatable
 
Tom - if you would make something we can place over the varizoom control to make a larger handle with marks then your product would be dramatically better - I own one and it is good but very hard to use for critical focusing.
 
Tom, I know your defending your product, and with good reason, I have used your PFI and although good for small adjustment on the fly it is way too "Fast" or sensitive for precision follow focus control. I'm checking out the Foxi in a day or so. I will be able to determine if that product does better at it's more specific job. However I have heard rumbilngs that Varizoom may have a similar follow-focus style control available soon, is this correct?
 
I would be willing to conduct and publish a shootout here if Varizoom and Bebop will supply some examples for me to use. Tom, any chance your Follow Focus prototype is working yet?
 
Thanks Opcode,

I appreciate your response. I actually do have a product that has not released that is similar to what you have described and what most focus pullers are accustomed to using.

It has a large know knob in the center with a large plastic border of which can be marked with a grease pencil and then wiped away.

I usually don't display a product until I can fill the dealer orders but I will likely have a few production units at NAB.

Maybe I can send you one as well as Evinsky and Smelni since you all have a particular interest in this style. The reason I made the thing was because of a post in this site.

Best regards,

Tom McKay

www.varizoom.com http://www.varizoom.com
 
Thaks Tom, That would be great. I'll PM you my info. I'll also PM the guys at Bebop and see if the're game.
 
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