Beating the youtube censor

AJ Brooks

AJ Brooks

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I recently discovered that one of my youtube videos I uploaded years ago was taken down because it had a song from Band of Horses. Even though it was just a small clip of the song, it still got taken down.

Google/Youtube must have an automated way of finding copyrighted material.

Also, I know there is that iPhone app that can identify a song by sampling a small portion. It does this not actually by listening to the "song" but hearing the "code" that is in the song. (I don't understand it, but that's what I've heard)

I don't know how that app works, but I imagine youtube must use a similar method to find all these songs.

So, I'm curious if anyone knows of said "code". Is it in there for good? Is there some sort of frequency sound that disrupt it if it were overlapped?

Thoughts?
 
Same problem

Same problem

I have the same problem, I posted a claymation video that my nephew had made to Greenday's Brainstew, and it was online for nearly a year until i received an email regarding youtube removing it.

Just a thought, but if they are using algorithms to sample a snippet of audio, would adding a pitch that is out of the human hearing range confuse this sampling?

-z
 
Yeah, I just had something removed recently, too. Crazy thing is, it was private, and no one had access to it. It must be a bot.
 
Perhaps we need a thread about how to avoid radar detectors and how to properly launder money? I prefer the hot wash/cold rinse on gentle myself.

Its not censoring you guys - its enforcing the same laws that protect our work.
 
Batutta said:
Here's how you beat it -- DON' T USE COPYRIGHTED MATERIAL!
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I love when people get all butthurt about copyright laws. Being an avid internet pirater of music, software, movies, ect, (you name it!) I feel strongly that for personal use it doesn't matter. Obviously if you're making money off of it, it's a different story... I realize that these artists are trying to make a living and all that BS, but once I watched the south park episode "Christian rock hard," my perspective changed. I suggest you all check it out.
 
I don't know about getting life lessons from Southpark.:huh:
You will have a lot of people that don't agree with pirated anything, especially on this site. But to each his own. I have way too many other things to worry about.
 
Hmmm.....

I bought several CDs of artists I never even heard of before, AFTER I heard their music as background track of some (totaly unrelated to the music) youtube videos.

If I would be an composer/musician and youtube would remove videos, that contain my work as background track I would be pretty angry, cause it´s doing damage to my business.

What better free promotion can one have?

Frank
 
Youtube is being forced to do this by the Warner Music Group, who by the way, own the recordings of the songs being pulled (most likely in perpetuity) not the artist.
 
yommytacoe said:
I love when people get all butthurt about copyright laws. Being an avid internet pirater of music, software, movies, ect, (you name it!) I feel strongly that for personal use it doesn't matter. Obviously if you're making money off of it, it's a different story... I realize that these artists are trying to make a living and all that BS, but once I watched the south park episode "Christian rock hard," my perspective changed. I suggest you all check it out.
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In all truth, I'm not a copyright Nazi, but it's lame to complain that a company is removing your content when that company is VERY clear about its rules. Go find another service to post your video, or better yet, host your own website.
 
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znowboarding said:
would adding a pitch that is out of the human hearing range confuse this sampling?

-z
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No withstanding the copyright issue, this would not work. In the digital world this is almost impossible to achieve. Even on CD this would be very hard, Youtube compression makes it impossible. The encoding they use cuts the top and bottom pitches we can hear, not to mention the ones we can't.

QUICK GUIDE:
44.1 kHz Sampling = 22.05 kHz Audio spectrum (CD quality)
Human hearing at birth is 20 Hz to 20 kHz and it only goes down from there.

My guess is Youtube uses 32 kHz or 22.05
 
yommytacoe said:
I love when people get all butthurt about copyright laws. Being an avid internet pirater of music, software, movies, ect, (you name it!) I feel strongly that for personal use it doesn't matter. Obviously if you're making money off of it, it's a different story... I realize that these artists are trying to make a living and all that BS, but once I watched the south park episode "Christian rock hard," my perspective changed. I suggest you all check it out.
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Using this logic, I'm entitled to steal a sandwich from a convenience store and eat it because, after all, it's for 'personal' consumption -- I'm not trying to make money off of it.

Face it. Music is INTENDED for 'personal use'. That's what they sell it for. That's how they make money. And that's why they prohibit illegal copying. Saying "it's just for personal use" excuses nothing. If you copy the music and put it out for everyone to hear, you've broken the law. It's just that simple.
 
Postmaster said:
Hmmm.....

I bought several CDs of artists I never even heard of before, AFTER I heard their music as background track of some (totaly unrelated to the music) youtube videos.

If I would be an composer/musician and youtube would remove videos, that contain my work as background track I would be pretty angry, cause it´s doing damage to my business.

What better free promotion can one have?

Frank
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Using my previous example....

That's like me saying, "You know, I went and BOUGHT that sandwich because the guy who stole one told me how delicious it was." Does that make it okay for him to steal it? Of course not. If the store wants to give away free samples in hopes of increasing sales, that's great. But it's not my right to go TAKE a sandwich against their will.

If you were the composer/musician and you OWNED the rights to both the song and the recording, then you'd have the absolute right to make that call. But for most well known songs, the composer/musician doesn't own the rights -- the record company does. And it's THEIR call to make. Not anyone else's.
 
That example doesn´t work, cause when someone steals the sandwich and eat´s it,
it´s gone. Never gonna come back, just gone.

The music on Youtube is not gone , it´s still there - everything that happens is, that somebody listen to your music.
Thats what it was made for in the first place right?
You make music (no mater ifyou are musician/composer/record company) because you want poeple to listen to it.

The problem is, that you also want poeple to pay for listeing right?
And they don`t pay for listening on Youtube.

But they don´t pay for litstening on the radio, they don´t pay for listening in a friends car, they don´t pay for listening in a lot of places.

You may say - but someone pays for it.
Right - but someone also payed for the song on Youtube, cause someone must have bought a CD to get it at all.

There is a huge missunderstanding how those things work.

Music (and everything that can get copied) will be copied. Period.

Music was copied since decades - recorded from radio and records to tapes and shared among poeple, way before the digital age.
Now look at the profits of record companys since the 70s.
They make more and more and more every year.
There ist just no proof at all, that home recording is killing music or hurts profits.
But it makes an artist popular, it´s free promotion and distribution and that´s the problem.

Record companys don´t want that, cause the artist may come to the idea that he don´t needs the record company at all.

And there is nothing one can do against copys. There is nor DRM and no copy protection and no mumbo-jumbo that can stop any 14 year old from copying things. You may not like it, but that´s the real world.

Copyrights and copy protection is just an idea - they made it up.
Doesn´t exist in the real world - it´s a belive. Everybody is copying out there - I bet you did.

So why moaning about it, if you can´t change it anyway, instead of using it as a chance for free promotion, distribution and generating new business as I said in my first example?

Having me hearing those artists on Youtube doesn´t hurt them at all, it generated new business and money for them, cause I bought several records that I would not have bought without youtube.

Coming back to your sandwich. So that guy that stole the sandwich is setting up a website that praises that sandwichs and the sandwich guy is getting thousends of orders because of that and there will be a fan comunity and festivals all.
If he is clever - he may become rich and famous - if he is an idiot and sues poeple because the fan comunity is selling t-shirts with his logo (without paying him) he may ruin everything.

Frank
 
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Postmaster, whether we're talking sandwiches or music, the point is the same -- it doesn't belong to you. Whoever owns it has the right to determine what is done with it. No self-justification in the world can deny the owner that right.

Radio stations don't just go to Walmart, buy CD's, and play them on the air. They pay a hefty price for the appropriate licenses to air that music. And they do this expressly within agreements with the owners of that music.

The fact that people DO -- and probably always WILL -- copy music doesn't make it right. People rob convenience stores too. They always have. But we still catch them, prosecute them, and throw them in jail.

Whether you agree with copyright law or not, it IS the law. Copying is illegal. Period. And copyright holders have an absolute right to prosecute anyone -- even YouTube -- for violating their copyrights.
 
What is your "right" worth if nobody listens to your music?

Actually ther are no such things as "rights" - it´s just made up.
What you have is temporally privileges that the goverment can change and take away from you anytime, any day at teir will.

But that´s getting to much into phiolosophy.

Frank
 
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