Basics of Ediitng

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Amir Vii

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I will get my canon 7D tomorrow and i just need some website or tutorial that teaches the very basics. I just want to know when you shoot a video and connect the camera into your computer, what do you do with that file. Do you directly open it using Adobe Premier and what do you do after? do start editing right away or do you have to convert to anything first?

In this other thread people were telling me how i will have pain editing these files because of my system. I do have an external hard drive (300GB).

Intel® Core™ 2 Duo P8700 w/VT - 2.53GHz
4GB Shared Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 800MHz
NVIDIA® GeForce™ 9600M GS 512MB
160GB 5400RPM SATA Hard Drive

so do you guys know any websites i can get started on so when i shoot my first test shots i know what to do.
 
I get the impression that you think we're mistaken about you editing the files out of the camera. Maybe we are. So, I encourage you to go ahead and try it. I tried it on my core2duo, then on my 8 core editing machine. In the end, the 8 core was fast "enough" for it to be liveable, but not smooth.
 
PerroneFord said:
I get the impression that you think we're mistaken about you editing the files out of the camera. Maybe we are. So, I encourage you to go ahead and try it. I tried it on my core2duo, then on my 8 core editing machine. In the end, the 8 core was fast "enough" for it to be liveable, but not smooth.
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oh no, obviously you guys know more than i do..i'm kind of pissed off about the fact that i thought im good to go and wasn't really thinking about how my system would cause me problems. I mean i saved up for a year to get this camera and now knowing that i will have hard time editing these files is a pain ! I still dont get one thing Perrone. Does this mean that i will have hard time editing files as in it will take long for my computer to edit or do you mean like i will get any degrade in the quality. I didnt mean to say you guys are wrong, i just dont get how this whole thing works. I mean im fine with the pain of editing as long as i can get a good quality output video like the ones on youtube or vimeo.
 
You can manipulate the files and change them into a format that will be much easier for your computer to deal with. And once you get your camera, and do a little playing around, you'll understand better.

If your final output for now is going to be youtube or vimeo, there is a lot you can do to speed things up. So don't worry too much. You have a very steep learning curve ahead, but there are a lot of good folks here who will help you out a lot.
 
PerroneFord said:
You can manipulate the files and change them into a format that will be much easier for your computer to deal with. And once you get your camera, and do a little playing around, you'll understand better.

If your final output for now is going to be youtube or vimeo, there is a lot you can do to speed things up. So don't worry too much. You have a very steep learning curve ahead, but there are a lot of good folks here who will help you out a lot.
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thanks Perrone for the help...i will get my camera tomorrow and i will try shooting some test clips before i go to cuba in 2 weeks and learn a bit before i go on vacation..want to get a good clip of hot chicks in cuba :evil:
 
Amir Vii said:
I just want to know when you shoot a video and connect the camera into your computer, what do you do with that file. Do you directly open it using Adobe Premier and what do you do after? do start editing right away or do you have to convert to anything first?
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Hi Amir,

I want to start off by telling you I'm out of my comfort zone here, because I edit only on Mac and (so far) have only had a need to edit in Final Cut Pro. I do believe, however, in knowing as much as I can so I've done some research and think I can help you here.

I'm sorry your experience has been so frustrating - it's not a big fix, I don't think. Do consider it a learning experience though. I really think every decision made needs to bear in mind what it means for pre-production, production, and post-production. Whether its buying a new light (that's really really heavy) or getting a new computer (which doesn't work with your old software) it seems every alteration in itself changes more and different things. So always be looking and always be careful.

First, understand that the 7D records its files to your CF card in the H.264 format. This format is very small, in terms of filesize, because it is heavily compressed. This heavy compression takes a great deal of processing in order for a computer to display it properly, which is why editing this type of file is a pretty bad idea.

So, because of this, most people use an "intermediary codec" - a codec used only to make the process of editing easier.

Myself, because I use FCP, take the H.264 file and turn it into an Apple ProRes LT file. The information in the file remains the same...its still my video, but it is simply less compressed. Which means two things: 1) The filesize will be larger and 2) it will read quicker.

For windows users and those working with Premiere, it seems the most popular intemediary codec would is Cineform. You buy the program NeoScene here (http://www.cineform.com/neoscene). Plug in the H.264 files, wait a little while, and out come CineForm files, which are much easier to edit.

Once you are done editing, you can re-encode into whatever files you'd like. It's those three simple steps.

1. Capture native footage (H.264)
2. Encode to intermediary codec (CineForm, NeoScene) and perform edits
3. Save (which is to say, Encode) to delivery format (MPEG2 for DVD, mpeg4, etc...)
 
Michael Olsen said:
Hi Amir,

I want to start off by telling you I'm out of my comfort zone here, because I edit only on Mac and (so far) have only had a need to edit in Final Cut Pro. I do believe, however, in knowing as much as I can so I've done some research and think I can help you here.

I'm sorry your experience has been so frustrating - it's not a big fix, I don't think. Do consider it a learning experience though. I really think every decision made needs to bear in mind what it means for pre-production, production, and post-production. Whether its buying a new light (that's really really heavy) or getting a new computer (which doesn't work with your old software) it seems every alteration in itself changes more and different things. So always be looking and always be careful.

First, understand that the 7D records its files to your CF card in the H.264 format. This format is very small, in terms of filesize, because it is heavily compressed. This heavy compression takes a great deal of processing in order for a computer to display it properly, which is why editing this type of file is a pretty bad idea.

So, because of this, most people use an "intermediary codec" - a codec used only to make the process of editing easier.

Myself, because I use FCP, take the H.264 file and turn it into an Apple ProRes LT file. The information in the file remains the same...its still my video, but it is simply less compressed. Which means two things: 1) The filesize will be larger and 2) it will read quicker.

For windows users and those working with Premiere, it seems the most popular intemediary codec would is Cineform. You buy the program NeoScene here (http://www.cineform.com/neoscene). Plug in the H.264 files, wait a little while, and out come CineForm files, which are much easier to edit.

Once you are done editing, you can re-encode into whatever files you'd like. It's those three simple steps.

1. Capture native footage (H.264)
2. Encode to intermediary codec (CineForm, NeoScene) and perform edits
3. Save (which is to say, Encode) to delivery format (MPEG2 for DVD, mpeg4, etc...)
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thanks Michael..i think no one could explain it better than u did..it all makes sense now and at least i know how to start..really appreciate the reply..
 
im trying to import my .MOV files that i shot with my Canon 7D to Adobe Premiere but it tells me that the format is not supported..any ideas on what im doing wrong?
 
i dont get this
i download the neoscene free trial..i can't upload my .mov files into neoscene..i go to convert then click on select files and it doesnt show my Mov. files from my camera..
i also tried mpeg streamclip, but thats even more confusing..i dont know what format to convert to and what settings to use..
damn this is complicated..can someone help please?
 
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