atomos shogun release date? has anyone heard anything yet?

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Nicholas Natteau

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Just curious to know whether anyone might have heard any news about the Atomos Shogun release date.

It seems like it's been months now and still no news. I pre-ordered mine the day B&H announced it was taking pre-orders.
But with every passing month, I just see indefinite delay notices.

Wasn't it supposed to be out by now? Or should we be expecting sometime next year?
 
Nicholas Natteau said:
Just curious to know whether anyone might have heard any news about the Atomos Shogun release date.

It seems like it's been months now and still no news. I pre-ordered mine the day B&H announced it was taking pre-orders.
But with every passing month, I just see indefinite delay notices.

Wasn't it supposed to be out by now? Or should we be expecting sometime next year?
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Brooke from Atomos posted Jeromy Young's (Atomos founder and president) statement on NFS yesterday, which said, "Let the games begin in November" (referring to some spat with Convergent Design)
 
We're not in any spat, just healthy competition. I think we can all take little jokes and digs, it keeps life interesting and fun.

Besides, when I look at the Shogun my first thought is that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. ;-)

Convergent Design has been in the game for some time. Come join us.
 
Nicholas Natteau said:
Just curious to know whether anyone might have heard any news about the Atomos Shogun release date.

It seems like it's been months now and still no news. I pre-ordered mine the day B&H announced it was taking pre-orders.
But with every passing month, I just see indefinite delay notices.

Wasn't it supposed to be out by now? Or should we be expecting sometime next year?
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Dude, haven't you heard? They're under new management from Birger Engineering. The product will be out real soon, yeah, real soon, just you wait, any day now!
 
Regarding Shogun vs 7Q, the 7Q has been already shooting and professional/video companies has already made hundreds of thousands of dollars using it. This comparison reminds me of the C300 vs FS7 debate, people already made careers and won awards with the C300 while the FS7 (Shogun) still hasn't even shot a cat video yet.

It's healthy competition and both companies are very reliable, I am sure the shogun will be a very strong and worthy rival for the 7Q if they support the C500, FS700, FS7 raw signals.
 
Ryan Lightbourn said:
Cut them proprietary media prices in half and we have a deal homie
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It's an interesting point that's often argued against us. Why are clients forced to use our SSDs?

There are a few parts to this, and I'll start with the costs themselves. Our media runs about $1.50/gig. Realistically, to record 4K ProRes on the Shogun one will need some high speed media, most likely some pro level "enterprise" SSDs. I believe the Sandisk SSDs that are possibly acceptable for this are currently just over $1.20/gig. So yes they are a bit less expensive, but it is not like you can go out and pick up a $50 hard drive and expect to record 4K material on it with any reliability whatsoever. You're fooling yourself if you think so, and you better be prepared for dropped frames and corrupted files.

So why don't we just recommend certain high performance SSDs and wash our hands of it? Basically, we don't trust them and neither should you. Here's what's special about our SSDs.

- Certified. We actually test each Odyssey SSD on Odyssey7Q monitor/recorders to make sure that they play nice with one another. There's a manufacturer's warranty behind them. And let me tell you, their performance is amazing. So far we have a reject rate of .0003%. That is a simply unheard of number.

- Verified. Manufacturer's specs on drives can be a bit... optimistic. Read/Write speeds generally represent the drives when they are brand new and empty. Over 100s of uses they will begin to decline. But far worse, even on the first use after a drive reaches 50-60% of its capacity it will dramatically lose write speed as it searches for new areas within it's memory to place information. This is how people get dropped frames. All Odyssey SSDs maintain their read/write speeds over use and capacity. Burning media to the SSDs day-in/day-out over & over for about two years we've only now have finally gotten one to reach End of Life. Our testing replicated about eight years of heavy use, perhaps 12 years of normal use. And the SSD lasted just shy of double its rated lifespan. When it finally did go the SSD became read-only, so we could still successfully pull material off of it. After all that time the replacement value of such a drive will likely be about $.50. So yeah, reliable.

- Protection. Odyssey SSDs are power-protected. If the power should fail during recording, the Odyssey SSD senses it and has enough stored juice within to safely close the file being recorded. When power comes back the Odyssey the directory is rebuilt and your files are safe. On other systems that file is likely corrupted and gone. Even worse, there is the distinct possibility that the ENTIRE DRIVE could be corrupted and you would lose everything. I've seen it happen; it's a freakin' tragedy.

So yes, our media does cost a little more. But it is just a little more. And one can record to them with full confidence that the darn things will do their job. They are safe, stable, reliable, and they Just Work. Let's face it, we can all cut corners on using certain tools, but in the end the media represents, well, EVERYTHING. If anything happens to them then all your work is for nothing. It is worth spending the right money at the right places.
 
Mitch Gross said:
It's an interesting point that's often argued against us. Why are clients forced to use our SSDs?
There are a few parts to this, and I'll start with the costs themselves. Our media runs about $1.50/gig. Realistically, to record 4K ProRes on the Shogun one will need some high speed media, most likely some pro level "enterprise" SSDs.
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What if all I want is to record HD? The main lure of the 7Q to me is the 4KtoHD.
What if I want to get a 64/128gb drive as backup? It's far too expensive to me to get an extra 256gb drive "just in case".

I would have bought the 7Q if it wasn't for the codec price and expensive media. That's because I just didn't have the money for it. So I guess I'm not your target audience, but it's one unit less sold. Bought a Sony A7s instead so now I won't be able to afford a recorder from any company in a while ;)
 
I guess I like to encourage long-term thinking rather than short-term. 4KtoHD is a feature exclusive to the Odyssey7Q. Our products are high performance machines that can do many things, including 4K video recording. We build our products to perform at all levels. Even if you want to use it to record HD now, you may want other performance later. So we don't make a "lesser" and a "greater" product.

A 256G Odyssey SSD is $395 US list price. It's not the end of the world to own such a product as "backup". And it will record 165 minutes of 4KtoHD, so it's not exactly something that you need to leave in the case. That's pretty useful. Own two of these drives and you could do pretty much any work you would reasonably have on a given production day.
 
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