Zak Forsman
Major Contributor
yeah, i read HTC has added code to make the Android UI smoother and more responsive.
Apple iPhone4 and iOS4.0 - Thread
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Brandon Rice
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Totally in the same boat there. I love the speed of the phone, and the battery life is excellent.
Rick Burnett
Section Moderator
Agreed. The battery life is AMAZING to the point I can leave bluetooth AND WiFi on and it doesn't kill the phone like my 3G did.
Rick Burnett
Section Moderator
Well that's because people like this iPhone user went out and got a case immediately! And that was after I got dropped from two calls and was trying to figure out why I was having reception issues in an area I never had before 
I can tell you that, regardless of what Apple says, my house gets 4 bars on ALL AT&T phones typically. It's why I switched to AT&T. When I grasp my iPhone normally with no case, the signal degrades to zero and cuts off a call. That's how I discovered the problem in the first place. I was quite perplexed at first till I did some searching.
The good thing is their is a solution that works. That's a lot better than I can say for other problems in other hardware I still recommend the phone for people who like older iPhones. This one flaw doesn't negate the awesome power of the phone, or the fact that Angry Birds does not lag on it
I can tell you that, regardless of what Apple says, my house gets 4 bars on ALL AT&T phones typically. It's why I switched to AT&T. When I grasp my iPhone normally with no case, the signal degrades to zero and cuts off a call. That's how I discovered the problem in the first place. I was quite perplexed at first till I did some searching.
The good thing is their is a solution that works. That's a lot better than I can say for other problems in other hardware
I still recommend the phone for people who like older iPhones. This one flaw doesn't negate the awesome power of the phone, or the fact that Angry Birds does not lag on it
Rick Burnett
Section Moderator
Our local paper has a quote from Consumer Reports saying that regardless of their findings, they are not finding any slowing down of sales. In fact, they are having a hard time keeping up still.
Knowing Apple history, they'll never decrease the price, they'll just fix it as a revision and not tell anyone
groveChuck
U-matic Member
Consumer Report article
Consumer Report article
Re the EVO- doesn't it have HDMI out and play 720p to a TV?
As for Apple, they could at least supply a roll of duct tape.
From Consumer Reports:
Why Apple—and not its customers—should fix the iPhone 4
"In our reporting and a video yesterday, we made the point that the signal drop that iPhone 4 customers have observed when they hold their phones the "wrong" way is real—and we've called on Apple to do something about it.
In an earlier statement, the company noted that attenuated performance is a "fact of life" for every wireless phone.
Apple suggested owners mitigate the problem by holding the phone differently or purchasing a case. But those solutions put the onus on consumers and skirt Apple's obligation to offer a product that works consistently and reliably out of the box.
We think it's the company's responsibility to provide the fix—at no extra cost to consumers.
Our tests, conducted in our labs using controlled signals, confirm growing anecdotal indications that the iPhone 4's problems are anything but illusory. Our tests found that when your finger or hand touches a spot on the phone's lower left side—an easy thing to do—the signal can significantly degrade enough to cause you to lose your connection altogether if you're in an area with a weak signal.
We tested several other AT&T phones the same way, including the iPhone 3G S and the Palm Pre. None of those phones had the significant signal-loss problems of the iPhone 4.
Ironically, aside from these reception glitches, our other tests placed the iPhone 4 atop the latest Ratings of smart phones. But we did not feel comfortable listing a phone with such a problem as "recommended," and therefore have withheld that tag.
Our stopgap fix for the issues of applying duct tape to the phone—while inexpensive and easily done—obviously isn't meant to be a permanent solution. The real fix, we believe, should come from Apple. The company has said it will issue a software update that will make the phone's bars more accurate, though it remains to be seen if fixing metering inaccuracies will address the problem of dropped calls. The company will also provide a full refund to users who return their iPhone within 30 days.
But for those who prefer to keep their iPhone, we encourage Apple to step forward soon with a remedy that fixes the confirmed antenna issue, and not one that requires additional consumer expense."
Consumer Report article
Re the EVO- doesn't it have HDMI out and play 720p to a TV?
As for Apple, they could at least supply a roll of duct tape.
From Consumer Reports:
Why Apple—and not its customers—should fix the iPhone 4
"In our reporting and a video yesterday, we made the point that the signal drop that iPhone 4 customers have observed when they hold their phones the "wrong" way is real—and we've called on Apple to do something about it.
In an earlier statement, the company noted that attenuated performance is a "fact of life" for every wireless phone.
Apple suggested owners mitigate the problem by holding the phone differently or purchasing a case. But those solutions put the onus on consumers and skirt Apple's obligation to offer a product that works consistently and reliably out of the box.
We think it's the company's responsibility to provide the fix—at no extra cost to consumers.
Our tests, conducted in our labs using controlled signals, confirm growing anecdotal indications that the iPhone 4's problems are anything but illusory. Our tests found that when your finger or hand touches a spot on the phone's lower left side—an easy thing to do—the signal can significantly degrade enough to cause you to lose your connection altogether if you're in an area with a weak signal.
We tested several other AT&T phones the same way, including the iPhone 3G S and the Palm Pre. None of those phones had the significant signal-loss problems of the iPhone 4.
Ironically, aside from these reception glitches, our other tests placed the iPhone 4 atop the latest Ratings of smart phones. But we did not feel comfortable listing a phone with such a problem as "recommended," and therefore have withheld that tag.
Our stopgap fix for the issues of applying duct tape to the phone—while inexpensive and easily done—obviously isn't meant to be a permanent solution. The real fix, we believe, should come from Apple. The company has said it will issue a software update that will make the phone's bars more accurate, though it remains to be seen if fixing metering inaccuracies will address the problem of dropped calls. The company will also provide a full refund to users who return their iPhone within 30 days.
But for those who prefer to keep their iPhone, we encourage Apple to step forward soon with a remedy that fixes the confirmed antenna issue, and not one that requires additional consumer expense."
Rick Meyer
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William_Robinette
Shallow Member
With Android 2.1 (Eclair) HTC's "Sense UI" isn't necessary anymore (IMO) and just adds clutter and makes Android use more fragmented across different manufacturers.
I will say that 2.1 on any Droid device isn't nearly as snappy as iOS4 is on the 3GS or 4. I'm optimistic that 2.2 (Froyo) delivers the 2x-5x performance increase that is being reported and catches up to the snappiness of the iPhone 4.
I've played with my friends iPhone 4 and the thing really is very nice. Hardware look and feel is damn near perfect and if you like their OS then it's all gravy.
I do think the retina screen is a bit overplayed though. I held it up to my (now ancient) Moto Droid and although color/contrast were better on the iPhone it wasn't anything near what I was expecting. And the resolution from normal usage distances was the same to my eyes. If I press my nose to the phones it is apparent, but I don't do that often. Compared to the 3GS it is worlds apart, but for those people who have been using a 854x480 screen for a while it isn't that "magical."
If it were on Verizon, and their development platform was more open in the vein of Google's I would jump on one immediately. Unfortunately I don't think either of those will change soon.
groveChuck
U-matic Member
Chip, you're a noob!!! (though I could watch it again, it's that funny!).
It would be nice to see a side by side video test (like the iphone/7d test).
It would be nice to see a side by side video test (like the iphone/7d test).
Just a little less use of the F word.
A little less would be more effective.
But funny.
A little less would be more effective.
But funny.
Barry_Green
Moderator
Interesting turning point for Apple. They're caught up in a PR crisis, it was all over the news yesterday, and the advice given repeatedly was "own up to it and say you'll fix it."
In a very unusual move, Apple scheduled a press conference to address the iPhone 4 issues. Could it be that they were going to admit the mistake and fix it?
Surprisingly, no. They denied there's anything wrong with it (and there are no infidels in Baghdad, never!) But they are giving away free cases to everyone, to fix the problem that doesn't exist. And they didn't say the would be fixing any future manufacturing either.
They continue to deny there's a problem, even when it's easily demonstrated; instead they point out that the Blackberry has similar problems, and that the issue is all blown out of proportion (which, maybe it is -- it turned out the hooplah over the runaway Toyota Prius was all a bunch of nonsense too).
Anyway, upshot is -- they don't think they've done anything wrong, they're not going to fix anything, but they will give every iPhone 4 buyer a free case (and if you already bought their specific "Bumper" case, they will refund you that purchase price). And if you're still not satisfied, they will do whatever they can to make you happy; and if it turns out that that's simply not possible, you can return the iPhone 4 for a full refund. But the phone design is what it is and it's gonna stay that way.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100716/ap_on_hi_te/us_tec_apple_iphone
In a very unusual move, Apple scheduled a press conference to address the iPhone 4 issues. Could it be that they were going to admit the mistake and fix it?
Surprisingly, no. They denied there's anything wrong with it (and there are no infidels in Baghdad, never!) But they are giving away free cases to everyone, to fix the problem that doesn't exist. And they didn't say the would be fixing any future manufacturing either.
They continue to deny there's a problem, even when it's easily demonstrated; instead they point out that the Blackberry has similar problems, and that the issue is all blown out of proportion (which, maybe it is -- it turned out the hooplah over the runaway Toyota Prius was all a bunch of nonsense too).
Anyway, upshot is -- they don't think they've done anything wrong, they're not going to fix anything, but they will give every iPhone 4 buyer a free case (and if you already bought their specific "Bumper" case, they will refund you that purchase price). And if you're still not satisfied, they will do whatever they can to make you happy; and if it turns out that that's simply not possible, you can return the iPhone 4 for a full refund. But the phone design is what it is and it's gonna stay that way.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100716/ap_on_hi_te/us_tec_apple_iphone
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Rick Burnett
Section Moderator
Apple never admits to hardware problems. I remember when the FW chip in the G5 iMacs were acting really poorly for many people and they denied it. It was VERY easy to repeat. I had the problem on one of my machines, had to use an external hard drive between my audio gear to get it to work. That audio interface, which I still have, has worked perfectly on EVERY other machine.
Barry_Green
Moderator
You can see engadget's live coverage/blog of the press conference, including the Q&A afterwards, here:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/live-from-apples-iphone-4-press-conference/
http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/live-from-apples-iphone-4-press-conference/
groveChuck
U-matic Member
The New and Improved iPhone 4, comes with a free Bumper case and a roll of duct tape!
Order now, the duct tape may not last!!!
Order now, the duct tape may not last!!!