Apple dumps Intel and shows Final Cut Pro on new Mac with Apple CPU !

The basic consensus out in the computer world is that, while Windows do work via the compiler on Arm sourced laptops, the performance suffers on both the M-soft Surface Pro and Samsung Book S and some apps are just not available.

https://www.theverge.com/2019/11/5/...view-arm-windows-10-apps-features-specs-price

https://www.neowin.net/news/samsung-galaxy-book-s-review-this-is-what-windows-on-arm-can-do/

However, new Qualcomm Snapdragon 875 chip will be - supposedly 30% - faster and the writing/rewriting of codes is only commencing. In the baseball terms, it's the top of the first.
 
Intel fired its head engineer, who came to them from Qualcomm three years ago. He wanted to outsource production to the fabs with the latest tech. As it is, Intel is stuck on 10 nM, while TSMC has been on 7 for quite some time and is ready to ship 5 nM chips by this fall. 3nM is the goal for 2022 and 2 nM for 2024-25. And those are all Arm based.
 
This piece is being quoted in a lot of places.

Summary

Apple's shift to ARM chips will have a much more profound impact than just lowering the cost and increasing the speed of its next MacBook.

In our view, this shift marks the beginning of the end of Intel's 40-year reign in the x86 era.

After decades of spectacular success in winning over developers, Intel's x86 platform now risks losing them.
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https://seekingalpha.com/article/43...ers-apple-and-amazon-topple-intels-x86-empire
 
I deleted various rumor attributions but they're in the linked article.

Apple’s first ARM-powered MacBook might be its cheapest laptop yet, according to a new leak.

A rumor ... claims Apple will debut a 12-inch MacBook powered by Apple Silicon at a special event on October 27 ... While we've heard talk that the ARM-based device, which will allegedly pack a 5nm 12-core CPU, will be cheaper than Intel-based MacBooks, a new rumor claims it could be the cheapest MacBook yet.

.... Apple’s 12-inch MacBook will feature a starting price of just $799 ... making it $200 cheaper than the current entry-level MacBook Air.
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https://www.techradar.com/in/news/the-next-macbook-may-be-apples-cheapest-laptop-in-years
 
At the World Wide Developer’s Conference 2020 (WWDC), Apple announced that it would, over a period of two years, be migrating its Mac line of products from Intel-based processors to ARM based ones– with much of the processor design coming from its iPad and iPhone line. This is not an easy move for either Apple or its developers and customers. A change of this scale requires a fundamental rewrite of all hardware and software ....

So how will Apple succeed where Microsoft has arguably failed?

Firstly, Apple is rewriting all its popular native applications and introducing a new operating system called Big Sur that supports the new processors — taking full advantage of the new capabilities and architecture. Secondly, the company is planning to release a native application emulator called Rosetta 2 that will allow Intel compatible apps to work relatively hitch free on the new ARM processors — without the need to rewrite them.
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https://medium.com/@hamzamudassir/apples-shift-to-arm-can-disrupt-intel-329b57a2e4c9
 
.... this MacBook Pro is going to make a simple statement. Intel belongs to yesterday, the future belongs ARM ... Where does that leave Windows 10? That’s where it gets interesting.

I don’t think that anyone reading this will assume that Apple’s competition will not react. They may not go ‘all-in’ and do a complete switch to ARM-based machines, but it’s a safe bet that there will be similar ‘exploratory’ Windows 10 on ARM laptops on sale during 2021 by a number of manufacturers, with a larger volume of entry- and mid-range ARM machines available during 2022.

Microsoft has been working on a Windows 10 version for ARM, which can be found on the Surface Pro X released late last year, arguably beating Apple to the punch with a modern ARM machine. That’s first mover advantage in terms of the buying public. If we look behind the scenes, both companies have been working with ARM hardware and software for many years - Apple with the iOS platform, and Microsoft with Windows Phone and Windows CE and Pocket PC - but the time for small projects and pilots are over.
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https://www.forbes.com/sites/ewansp...windows10-intel-progress-future/#1ef285471950
 
And here's a Microsoft tidbit that might or might not mean something.

The company is delaying the introduction of its Windows 10X operating system. The official rumor by the official rumor sites is that is due to the inability to work with a dual screen/folding notepad (to be) called Neo. But then the rumor sites also claim that Neo itself will be delayed into 2022.

So I don't think it's the reason.

I speculate that it's due to the upcoming release of the Mac Books, which promise to be not only much cheaper than both of the Intel based Surface Pro and Samsung Book S but also have far superior specs in the OS written specifically for its Arm processors. And, as some of the articles above claim, Microsoft and its vendors can not afford to be blown out of the water by Mac Books. Which means Redmond has to urgently update its own OS for new Arm based models or risk losing it to Apple.

Furthermore, it now has to compete with all the Chrome based portables as well. And if it can't deliver a competitive OS, then Google will. Because Google already does, albeit on the lower priced models so far. And, with an ever increasing crunching power of the Arm chips, a cheap laptop of today is the entirety of the market tomorrow. Which means that, as mentioned above, Microsoft has to react. Because Samsung, Lenovo, Asus, HP and Dell don't want to caught napping.
 
From the same Forbes columnist, Ewan Spence, as from above.

I’ve previously talked about the impact of Apple’s move to ARM-based processors on the Windows 10 ecosystem. In summary it’s going to force Microsoft’s Windows 10 on ARM into the spotlight; rival laptop manufacturers will no doubt offer at least one ARM-powered line-up in the portfolio rather than let Apple take all the glory; and there will be an increased focus on fixing legacy app compatibility (something that Windows 10 and MacOS will have to deal with quickly and smoothly).

But there’s another competitor that should be worrying about the danger posed by Apple’s move - Google and its Chromebook project and ChromeOS.
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Chrome based books currently occupy a lower range of products but doesn't mean that it has to continue this way, especially with cloud computing and all.


https://www.forbes.com/sites/ewansp...-chromeos-chromebook-comparison/#562d946d4eac
 
Several major sources (WSJ, Bloomberg) are reporting that SoftBank is going to dump Arm on anyone who's got a couple of yen to rub together. Apple's not taking the bait. Amazon is looking away. But NVIDIA has Arm in its crosshair and the deal could be struck within a couple of months. On paper, there's little overlap between the two businesses but the reviews of the rumors of the deal are negative because almost everyone wants Arm to remain independent. Others, however, believe that the company needs an infusion of funds for R&D and Jen is just the bloke to provide it.

It'd have to pass the regulator scrutiny anyway.
 
A bunch of Surface Pro laptops are on sale now. My assumption is that, with the slow Covid sales and the upcoming Mac Book releases, Microsoft is trying to clear inventory. Heigh-ho, heigh-ho, back to school, we go.
 
JAMedia said:
Not round here they aren't.... Word is more lock downs for the second wave of COVID in Europe next month.
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You call that an outbreak? That's not an outbreak...

School's going virtual here too. But they still want to sell you stuff. Apparently back to school is the 2nd biggest shopping season of the year here
 
ahalpert said:
You call that an outbreak? That's not an outbreak...
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Well not an outbreak compared to the USA obviously. I note the US is not bothering with first/second wave but continuing the first without a pause.

ahalpert said:
School's going virtual here too. But they still want to sell you stuff. Apparently back to school is the 2nd biggest shopping season of the year here
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I guess the retail industry, like any other, is desperate for income (any income). You could make a film about that.....

Universities in the UK are talking about on-line tuition and lectures for the first term/semester from September to December 2020 and re assessing for 2021 restart face to face. Though I suspect it will be the second term in 2021 before they get back to normal.
 
ahalpert said:
You call that an outbreak? That's not an outbreak...

School's going virtual here too. But they still want to sell you stuff. Apparently back to school is the 2nd biggest shopping season of the year here
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My wife is a middle school English teacher. Every kid in her district has a school provided Chromebook. She's gearing up for another year of virtual instruction
that begins soon. She will be teaching from her classroom this year, I think but still all virtual with her students at home.
 
David Saraceno said:
Perhaps we can slowly turn back to discussing the original topic?

:)

Thanks.
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Yes, sir.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/ewansp...attery-intel-arm-pictures-specs/#6e28f0874ed5

Aug 6 update: Today saw Apple release a public beta of the next version of MacOS. With the moniker ‘Big Sur’, this is the first chance the majority of Mac owners have to experience MacOS 11. It’s also the first version of MacOS to support Intel and ARM. Of course there are no ARM Macs or MacBooks out in the wild yet (developers can apply to Apple for a Developer Transition Kit which includes an ARM-powered Mac mini, but these remain the property of Apple).
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And for the desktops users (software compatibility will be an issue for Huawei but not for others, once Microsoft addresses its Windows 10X issues ... Huawei will be using Harmony OS, which is owned and controlled by ... Huawei).

According to a Weibo user, the first batch of Huawei desktop computers will be launched soon. Also, he proves the will come with a 24-core Kunpeng platform. At the same time, the graphics card will be AMD’s Radeon 520.

As we have reported previously, the Huawei desktop has an internal code of Pangu. Initially, there will be only one model that will use a self-developed 24-core Kunpeng platform. Also, the manufacturer will put an 8GB notebook memory, a 512GB Samsung SSD, and AMD’s Radeon 520 graphics card. In addition, this processor’s multi-core performance is slightly better than that of the Intel i9-9900K.
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https://www.gizchina.com/2020/08/08...re-kunpeng-platform-radeon-520-graphics-card/

Intel I9 -9990 is selling for ~ $440 at the moment and averages ~ 19,000 on the CPU benchmarks. (the higher, the better)
 
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