Apple condems SxS to the rubbish heap along with P2!

Like it or not - on the long run there will be solid state discs.
The already blow P2 out of the water. Speed vise, price vise and space vise.

It os only a question when and not if one of the camera companys will make a camera that comes with ESata or even with solid disc slots.

On the other hand, I find it pretty stupid by Apple to do that move now - and only one FW800 connector. But you can always use the bigger notebooks - they stillhave the slots.


Frank
 
:Drogar-Love(DBG): maybe Apple read this forum that many EX1/EX3 users would use SDHC cards instead of SxS ??? :beer:
 
I stared at the 15" Macbook Pro web page for five minutes. Surely that express card slot had to be there somewhere, anywhere. Looking forward to the upcoming previous generation blowout sales.
 
I'm not sure how much more it is going to take to make Mac users realise that they are working on a platform designed by those who care more about how it looks than how it works.

They havn't specifically dropped support for SxS, they dropped support for all ExpressCard devices.

If they clearly don't want your business why would you continue to support them. Your stuck with a single vendor for you whole suite of options, if that one vendor decides to do something like this, you don't have any options. PCs may have their own suite of issues, but you won't see Express Cards going away from laptops, even some netbooks have them.
 
Steve Jobs has hinted that Apple keeps hitting road-blocks that are preventing Blu-ray from becoming mainstream on personal computers. Behind that statement is Sony, one of the major Blu-ray stake holders with it's protectionist market agenda.

Then Sony's SXS technology is proprietary which also goes against the grain of Apple's vision to use open standards. The PCExpress Card bus is open but Sony's SXS memory is totally closed.

So at the end of the day, we can rag on Apple but I think there is more to this than meets the eye. It is more probable that Sony has shot itself in the foot with SXS which by the way still has not lived up to all the marketing spin of SXS providing us we cheaper memory prices. The Yen and global recession are also working against any hope of falling SXS prices.
 
I have to say Guy, I can see myself possibly on a PC on AVID sometime in the next few years (shudder). You have have to understand, I owned an audio post facility for four years, all PC-based and I swore up and down that PCs and especially Microshaft were the spawn of Satan. I lost years off of my life, many gray hairs and all nighters because of PCs and Windows.

Apple was a refuge from the DOS/reprogramming technical nightmares that were my business life for four years. They were simple, they worked more often (still had issues, but none that would have me on the phone at all hours of night reprogramming apps, etc.)

But I have to say, it looks as if Apple is slowly foresaking pro users. If I go PC again with Avid or Premier (shudder), I will be using a VAR and paying thousands of dollars per year to deal with the PC issues because I can't take it. So from a business standpoint, switching to PC will cost me a LOT more than I pay now to use Apples. But it will be worth it to have a machine that is supported and the programs that continue to improve and evolve.

Hopefully I am wrong and Snow Leopard and FCS3 will bring new hope. But this WWDC seems to indicate a bleak future for Apple pro users.

Dan
 
GuyB said:
I'm not sure how much more it is going to take to make Mac users realise that they are working on a platform designed by those who care more about how it looks than how it works.

They havn't specifically dropped support for SxS, they dropped support for all ExpressCard devices.

If they clearly don't want your business why would you continue to support them. Your stuck with a single vendor for you whole suite of options, if that one vendor decides to do something like this, you don't have any options. PCs may have their own suite of issues, but you won't see Express Cards going away from laptops, even some netbooks have them.
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Agreed 1,000%. Don't let the manufacturer control you. Buy the product that does what you want, and if the manufacturer won't give you what you want, screw 'em. Someone else will make what you want.
 
Barry_Green said:
Agreed 1,000%. Don't let the manufacturer control you. Buy the product that does what you want, and if the manufacturer won't give you what you want, screw 'em. Someone else will make what you want.
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The problem here is stability. Like Dan before, I was a PC guy. I was a Premiere editor from the 4.0 days. The problem was with PC's crashing and software/plugins conflicting. When you have multiple manufacturers working on open standards, and software developers having to optimize their software taking into account different hardware configurations, from ram, graphic cards, processors, etc, you're open to these problems.

Macs, being pretty much fixed in configuration and environment, allow developers to optimize performance to take advantage of the hardware. Its like Console games vs PC games. High end PC games can look spectacular, but occasionaly shuckle- in order to solve these issues, you need to fine tune your machine to perfection, and clear your machine from possible CPU hungry applications. In Consoles, even though the hardware can be inferior, games can look as spectacular, and run more constant and hardly crash.

The advantage of Apple developed aps is all because of the "one shop" philosopy: they manufacture the hardware and OS, know the specs, and can push the apps to work for them in the most optimized way.

But seems like this is about to end. Lets see what FCS3 brings to the table
 
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As someone you has used and built all of my PC's for my video & photo work, I have to say the arguments in the last few posts were valid about 7-10 years ago.

Windows really came of age to the mainstream with XP. Pre XP Windows was a work in progress.

The old view that Macs are for creative people and if you run audio apps or do video production you need a Mac is just that, old.

Back in the day, there were more applications in the creative fields written for Mac, so those people had to use Mac.

That is not the case today. So I have to speak up for the stability of my experience using Windows XP. I keep a clean system and any crashes are most always from software not the operating system.

Your computing life will not end should you use a non-Mac based computer.
 
Just my 2 cents: I worked for Intel for 5 years, and my job was to win designs in all OEMs. That meant TELLING them how to design their products. If Intel says "Use RDRAM!" they OEMS used RDRAM. If Intel says, "Convert from PCMCIA to Express34" they did. Now Apple is in Intel's world. SDHC is cheaper, just as fast, (sound like Apple's answer to why they dropped FW400 for USB?)
 
I have had my share of problems over the years with PCs but I have to say so few of them are related to Microsoft it is so unfar to blame them cart blance.

I had Nikon View crashing & rebooting the PC on a regular basis, turns out one of my RAM sticks is faulty. Replace that and the crash's stop rebooting the PC, now the crash's are just Nikons poor programming abilities. It was my choice not to purchase an system based on ECC RAM.

I tend to find that in most cases, PC problems are caused by hardware. What Apple give you is good quality which is why it has been so popular to install Windows on a Mac, but in many ways there is also good quality generic PC hardware out there and if you are careful with your choices then you can build a very reliable and trouble free PC as well.

If MS locked down the hardware support like Apple did then I bet both platforms would be just as stable as each other, but then you would loose all that great flexibility and options PCs offer.
 
Oh, the Mac v PC wars... Different strokes for different folks. If a computer doesn't fit your needs, don't buy it... be it a Mac or a PC.
 
well lets not forget the relations here:

win based systems over 80%
apple maybe 6 or 8% ?

so viruses and malware was mainly windows which was a dealkiller if you wanted indernett right?

if however that peecee NEVER ever connected to the indernet, you had a solid workhorse, stabile and what not! Used both, can tell.

So my idea is: mac for indernett and peecee for special work, thats how I´ve been doing it.

I am severely disappointed by apple since many years, still buy their laptops, will probably never buy a desktop/server again if I can avoid it, and use win-based systems with great pleasure without going online.

actually rumors have it that vista has safer web browsing than apple now :Drogar-Love(DBG):
 
After seeing this announcement i went out and picked up an 8 month old near new Silver Macbook Pro. My white macbook is on its last legs and i've been thinking of upgrading for awhile now.

Glad i managed to find a MBP with FW400 and an express card slot before all that was left were unibody ones.

Another bad announcement on apples part. First there was the less than average MacPros, now this..

Right now im very glad that Avid 3.5 is working like a charm and i could easily substitute it for Final Cut in an instant if i had too in my current work environment. Avid would run damn smoothly on my 08 Macpro too.
 
Actually, I find the Mac users concern over changes of socketry rather quaint! PC people have simply got used to choosing the kind of interfaces they need. The large majority don't edit video, or do graphics or audio work, so it doesn't matter - but if they do, they choose a machine that lets them do it. Mac people seem to have to accept what they are given, and with the low market share generally, ins and outs are bound to wander into whatever the biggest market share purchasers want. As they get more popular (and there's no doubt I see far more in 'ordinary' use) the pro users needs will be supported less and less - a fact of business necessity, I guess?
 
puredrifting said:
I have to say Guy, I can see myself possibly on a PC on AVID sometime in the next few years (shudder). You have have to understand, I owned an audio post facility for four years, all PC-based and I swore up and down that PCs and especially Microshaft were the spawn of Satan. I lost years off of my life, many gray hairs and all nighters because of PCs and Windows.

Apple was a refuge from the DOS/reprogramming technical nightmares that were my business life for four years. They were simple, they worked more often (still had issues, but none that would have me on the phone at all hours of night reprogramming apps, etc.)

But I have to say, it looks as if Apple is slowly foresaking pro users. If I go PC again with Avid or Premier (shudder), I will be using a VAR and paying thousands of dollars per year to deal with the PC issues because I can't take it. So from a business standpoint, switching to PC will cost me a LOT more than I pay now to use Apples. But it will be worth it to have a machine that is supported and the programs that continue to improve and evolve.

Hopefully I am wrong and Snow Leopard and FCS3 will bring new hope. But this WWDC seems to indicate a bleak future for Apple pro users.

Dan
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Premiere CS4 4.1.0 with the right plug-ins (Color Finesse PI, etc) isn't all that bad.
 
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