GH4 Anybody thinking of trading the GH4 for the new camcorder?

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http://www.trustedreviews.com/panasonic-hc-x1000_Camcorder_review

I quote "Panasonic reckons the HC-X1000 has two key strengths: speed and smoothness. Compared to the Lumix GH4 it's supremely fast to focus. Where the GH4 takes between 2.3 seconds to 3.4 seconds to refocus between objects, the HC-X1000 takes just 1 to 1.5 seconds. A huge difference. And as it shoots 4K at up to 60fps, as opposed to just 24fps, you get smoother tracking shots and action."

The 60fps would allow us 4K slow mo. Not to mention this camcorder has XLR holes. So in the long run its cheaper than GH4 with a lens + Yagh.
 
Having shot with the X1000 this morning at the Henry's Store Panasonic demo, I feel that the GH4 produces a better video image if you can live without the conveniences of an ENG camera. ( i.e. parfocal 20x OIS zoom lens, proper XLR audio inputs, etc... )

The X1000 would be my first pick for live event shooting, but for serious sit-down interviews with a proper lighting and audio set-up I would choose the GH4 camera.

These are very different cameras and I really don't feel that they are competitors with each other. ( if I could afford it I would buy both cameras )
 
It does look interesting, but the lens is fixed, and the quality of long zooms on these type of cameras tend to be their weakest link.
I believe the chip is smaller then micro four thirds, so shallow depth of field will be more difficult. Don't know how fast the lens is but I'm sure it's not
constant aperture thru it's full range. Low light capability will probably not be a strong point. It will certainly have a more video like look as compared to the GH4/GH3 but for certain situations and shooting conditions it will be a great choice.
 
nope. done looking for a number of years. There is ALWAYS a better/faster/cheaper released moments after purchase. We could NEVER keep up. :)
 
Mike Harvey said:
No, but my HMC150 on the other hand...
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That's exactly what I was thinking... six months ago! Which is why I bought the AC130. So much better than my old HMC150. But now this 4K camcorder has me thinking maybe it's time to sell the AC130. It would match up with my GH4 so much better.

However, I wonder about this 4K camera's low light sensitivity with only a single chip. The AC130 has three sensors (albeit they're 1/3-type size, whatever that means in inches). I guess we'll have to wait and see the reviews once it starts shipping.

If the reviews and tests pan out then I think this 4K ENG will make a handy companion to the GH4.
 
Jim Simon said:
As there really are no affordable, fast, 20x zooms with OIS, I say leave the lens on and just upgrade to the GH4's sensor.
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But the 20x OIS zoom will only cover a tiny portion of the GH4 sensor so still a no go.

I am going to look how this new Panasonic camera compares with the new Sony X70 camera which has a 1 inch sensor, costs $1000 less, and will have a 4K upgrade path. They both look very similar in features, and if the Sony 4K upgrade for the X70 adds high bit-rates, then it will be interesting to see how their final images compare.
 
CustomerGH4 said:
http://www.trustedreviews.com/panasonic-hc-x1000_Camcorder_review

I quote "Panasonic reckons the HC-X1000 has two key strengths: speed and smoothness. Compared to the Lumix GH4 it's supremely fast to focus. Where the GH4 takes between 2.3 seconds to 3.4 seconds to refocus between objects, the HC-X1000 takes just 1 to 1.5 seconds. A huge difference. And as it shoots 4K at up to 60fps, as opposed to just 24fps, you get smoother tracking shots and action."

The 60fps would allow us 4K slow mo. Not to mention this camcorder has XLR holes. So in the long run its cheaper than GH4 with a lens + Yagh.
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It has a sensor smaller than some smartphones so if that is what you want then get it but don't compare it to the GH4 that has a sensor that is 10x larger and ultra fast lenses for shooting in low light with shallow DOF. The HC-X1000 has a 4.08-81.6mm F1.8-F3.6 zoom.
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TheDingo said:
But the 20x OIS zoom will only cover a tiny portion of the GH4 sensor so still a no go.
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Possibly, but when I said "leave the lens" I didn't necessarily mean keep that exact glass, I meant leave those capabilities - 20x, 1.8, OIS. Do what needs to be done to make it work with the new, larger sensor. (Same price, though.)
 
Jim Simon said:
Possibly, but when I said "leave the lens" I didn't necessarily mean keep that exact glass, I meant leave those capabilities - 20x, 1.8, OIS. Do what needs to be done to make it work with the new, larger sensor. (Same price, though.)
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You would need a very expensive cine zoom to cover the GH4 sensor, which would likely be in the $10K - $30K range.

I still hope that some day somebody makes an affordable m4/3 cine zoom for about $5K, but I don't think there's enough of a market for a lens like this, so I guess I'm just dreaming on this one.
 
joe1946 said:
It has a sensor smaller than some smartphones so if that is what you want then get it but don't compare it to the GH4 that has a sensor that is 10x larger and ultra fast lenses for shooting in low light with shallow DOF. The HC-X1000 has a 4.08-81.6mm F1.8-F3.6 zoom.
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FYI is anyone is curious for comparison like I was, the HC-X1000 sensor size is 1x 18.47 Megapixel 1/2.3" MOS Sensor
 
Jim Simon said:
Possibly, but when I said "leave the lens" I didn't necessarily mean keep that exact glass, I meant leave those capabilities - 20x, 1.8, OIS. Do what needs to be done to make it work with the new, larger sensor. (Same price, though.)
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You seem to go over this everytime and everytime you are told that it isn't possible on a budget. Would you pay the $10-15K price for this mystery camera? We all would like everything for cheap but its down to simple physics.
 
Benjobe said:
However, I wonder about this 4K camera's low light sensitivity with only a single chip. The AC130 has three sensors (albeit they're 1/3-type size, whatever that means in inches). I guess we'll have to wait and see the reviews once it starts shipping.
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A three-sensor design wouldn't be any more sensitive than a single sensor of the same size. Three-sensor arrays work via a prism that separates R, G, B and sends each to a separate sensor- each sensor only gets one third of the total light entering the lens (probably actually a miniscule amount less, as I'm sure the prism absorbs or refracts some tiny amount of the light).
 
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