Anybody selling their Sony F35?

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I am in the market for a sony f35 just wondering if any members on the group are planning on selling theirs, or know of anyone else that might be. Prefer dealing locally in LA.

Thanks
 
from your F35 rental, what was your conclusions about the camera? did you compare the images to any other camera you shot with at the same time?

curious to hear your opinions about the marvellous F35.
 
After the latest color enhancements I've been able to get out of the F35 Sgamut I keep coming back a it too...
 
It's somewhere in the main superthread. Basically we've been color grading Slog/Sgamut the wrong way all this time. We knew about it but we didn't have the tools to do it better (poorly graded F35 footage looks salmon-ish, but it shouldn't). The newer methods involve either shooting in F900R color space or applying a good Sgamut to rec709 color space conversion (the sony one might be mathematically correct but it doesn't look good).
 
I was shooting RED. But now after shooting with the F35 I cant imagine going back to red.
 
macgregor said:
It's somewhere in the main superthread. Basically we've been color grading Slog/Sgamut the wrong way all this time. We knew about it but we didn't have the tools to do it better (poorly graded F35 footage looks salmon-ish, but it shouldn't). The newer methods involve either shooting in F900R color space or applying a good Sgamut to rec709 color space conversion (the sony one might be mathematically correct but it doesn't look good).
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F900R color is better than sgamut? But how? sgamut is wider range. F900R color is like rec709 color, no? What is this good Sgamut to rec709 color space conversion you talk about?
 
Did test today with F900R color. Anybody else think it looks more video? :undecided

I don't know. I think sgamut is better.
 
F900 does look a bit "video" but some stuff shot with it blow me away.

Watch Wolf Creek. The first one. It was shot with F900. Indoor scenes and outdoor overcast scenes look incredible. Outdoor sunny scenes start to go on video look side but still it's amazing looking film and I can't believe it is done in done REC709 sgamut flavour.

They had good DP, and good post.
 
i have complete F35 with batteries, IF box, 15mm plate and 7Q package i'm slowly coming to realize i need to sell to pay for wedding, house, life, probably going to list it in a few.
 
SJX said:
F900R color is better than sgamut? But how? sgamut is wider range. F900R color is like rec709 color, no? What is this good Sgamut to rec709 color space conversion you talk about?
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Sgamut is wider, but for that same reason it can be a problem. All your monitors and your client's monitors show rec709/srgb colors. Therefore there's a bunch of colors you are not seeing. Same as if you were processing photos in adobeRGB and displaying them in sRGB. Since you're missing colors (mostly the most saturated ones), you either end up with a dull image, where there's little color separation (salmon-ish monocromatic footage) and/or you boost saturation in post and then the whole complimentary gets messed up, and some colors might even clip.
If you're a high end lab that can work in wide range color spaces and you have the tools to do proper conversions, then it's definitely better to use Sgamut. Since you're in this forum I'll assume you don't have a big lab backing you up, therefore you'll probably get better results if you shoot in the same color space that your displays work, ie: rec709. If you still prefer to shoot in Slog, at least use an Sgamut to rec709 conversion in your workflow. But I haven't seen any good ones yet for Davinci and again, unless you're going to film print or DCI there's no advantage really in doing this.
 
F900 "colour" doesn't mean F900 look. It's still a wide colour space, just not S-Gamut.

If you don't use the full S-Gamut there's definitely an argument for using it. I believe in some of their literature Sony actually refer to the F900 as "Alexa" colours, although they probably mean an Alexa in 709 mode.
 
macgregor said:
Sgamut is wider, but for that same reason it can be a problem. All your monitors and your client's monitors show rec709/srgb colors. Therefore there's a bunch of colors you are not seeing. Same as if you were processing photos in adobeRGB and displaying them in sRGB. Since you're missing colors (mostly the most saturated ones), you either end up with a dull image, where there's little color separation (salmon-ish monocromatic footage) and/or you boost saturation in post and then the whole complimentary gets messed up, and some colors might even clip.
If you're a high end lab that can work in wide range color spaces and you have the tools to do proper conversions, then it's definitely better to use Sgamut. Since you're in this forum I'll assume you don't have a big lab backing you up, therefore you'll probably get better results if you shoot in the same color space that your displays work, ie: rec709. If you still prefer to shoot in Slog, at least use an Sgamut to rec709 conversion in your workflow. But I haven't seen any good ones yet for Davinci and again, unless you're going to film print or DCI there's no advantage really in doing this.
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Thanks for detail explanation. So shooting for feature use sgamut. Shoot for web or TV shoot F900R color? What you used for LA91? And why you need separate sgamut to rec709 conversion? I thought this was what lut is for? So lut only convert the gamma and not everything?
 
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