Don't want to speak for Lee, but I think that was sarcasm. I think his point was that the 5D3 probably won't be much of an upgrade either.
And here is a Waterproof housing for the GH1 for $80 from Amazon (no killing required ;-)).
Any ex-canon users disappointed with GH2?
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Don't want to speak for Lee, but I think that was sarcasm. I think his point was that the 5D3 probably won't be much of an upgrade either.
And here is a Waterproof housing for the GH1 for $80 from Amazon (no killing required ;-)).
photonashville
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The main upgrade Canon must do with the 5DIII is eliminate moire/aliasing and in turn provide crisper video. That is all I need. In the meantime, the GH2 fills that void nicely.
I think the big question is who will stick with Panasonic once Canon fires back. I have a 60D and a GH2 and a wealth of Canon lenses that loose most of their functionality on the GH2 body. I love my GH2 and I think it's a great camera, but I just have so much invested in Canon. Despite this, I admit the GH2 produces better video. I just know that when Canon inevitably one-up's the current Panasonic offering, I will jump ship back to Canon so that I can fully use all of my lenses and the great features (IS, etc)
Definitely. I'm sure it'll be way more of an upgrade than the T3i, since the 5D series has a longer life cycle and is very important for Canon, but they've has been asleep at the wheel for a while so I don't think it's going to be any massive revolution.
Lucas Adamson
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The next actual "revolution," so to speak, by which I mean of the same magnitude as XL1, DVX100, HVX200, D90, 5D2, GH13, AF100, will be in DSLR sized cameras that:
a) Are more geared towards video than stills, with perhaps larger-pixeled 2Mp sensors for less/no moire & aliasing, for example.
b) Record to a RAW format, or at least AVC-Intra.
c) Have built in ND filters, behind the removable lens.
d) Have some kind of mini XLR mic input, and good pre-amps.
Yeah, we're talking about an Arri Alexa, RED One or AF100 in a small body I guess. Maybe it will never happen!? The technology is certainly there though!
a) Are more geared towards video than stills, with perhaps larger-pixeled 2Mp sensors for less/no moire & aliasing, for example.
b) Record to a RAW format, or at least AVC-Intra.
c) Have built in ND filters, behind the removable lens.
d) Have some kind of mini XLR mic input, and good pre-amps.
Yeah, we're talking about an Arri Alexa, RED One or AF100 in a small body I guess. Maybe it will never happen!? The technology is certainly there though!
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roei z
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i like the GH2 colors 
http://www.mediafire.com/?wn51fqu2nsxqnl6
i did some location scouting today... this made my day.
(but only if you're willing to download 190MB !)
*slight banding at sun, but hey, just need to know where not to shoot.
http://www.mediafire.com/?wn51fqu2nsxqnl6
i did some location scouting today... this made my day.
(but only if you're willing to download 190MB !)
*slight banding at sun, but hey, just need to know where not to shoot.
Yes, ultimately it's all about the lenses. The marketing success of Canon's EF line of lenses has given them an enviable lock on their customer base. No one with a sizable investment in Canon glass is likely to look elsewhere, regardless of the merits of any other camera system. By contrast, Nikon's efforts to maintain the compatibility of their legacy manual lenses has earned them a great deal of respect, but enables customers to easily migrate to other camera platforms. Micro 4/3's appeals to everyone else - from vintage lens collectors to DIY indies.
In my opinion, the best thing Panasonic could do for their Micro 4/3's lines is to buy Olympus Corporation outright. They could then update Olympus' superb line of high-end Zuiko Four Thirds lenses with M4/3 versions engineered with full auto-focus and OIS support. This would reinvigorate the Micro 4/3's platform under a unified corporate banner and enable Panasonic to forge a clear vision of its future.
Olympus has talked about a M4/3 pro body in a couple of years that would have an audio "break-out" grip ( i.e. you buy the grip designed around pro audio, that attaches to the main camera body ), and they've talked about fast silent lenses with built-in stabilization.
Who knows if Olympus will ever bring this to the market, but it shows that they are aware of the potential of professional video.
It's gonna be really embarrassing for Red if Olympus (or anybody) beats them to market with their own modular DSMC concept, isn't it?
Flinty, what editor are you using?
I'm a Sony Vegas Pro user for more than 10 years now and AVCHD has always been rock solid for me.
TThanks for that but i am too old to change to that now,i know its good for the job but i have never used any editing gear other than the basic ones.like i said these files are a lot harder than the canon mov files to edit on my gear.
If you ever change your mind, you might want to take a look at the consumer version of Sony Vegas which sells for less than $100. It works almost identically to the Pro version, but has a few small limitations. ( 4 video track layers instead of unlimited layers, less plug-ins, etc... ) Below is the link to download a fully working trial of the consumer version.
Vegas Movie Studio HD Platinum Free Trial
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Lucas Adamson
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WoW! According to their RAW comparisons, it's sharper than the 1D Mk4 !!!!!!!!
Amazing stuff!
Amazing stuff!
Sun
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I have never heard or felt that kind of mentality in any of my assignments. Bigger is better is so 1980's with big hair and shoulder pads, the world has been busy miniaturizing electronics so I would say get with the 21 century.
Would I laugh at an 4G IPhone because its not a 1987 mobile brick phone? Anybody with an attitude like you suggested is just antiquated and out of touch with the technological age.
Lucas Adamson
Well-known member
There is a massive irony in Canon being widely considered the professional choice, and Lumix being considered a camera for holiday snappers. It is a shame that Lumix didn't decide to make their top end cameras with a titanium body and give them Leica/Contax build quality - I think Lumix' reputation would be quite different then, ie. Canon is great and all, but Lumix, wow! Their stuff is the shizz!
JamesBenet
Active member
I think the excitement here is starting to affect objective judgment.
I have to work with very high quality files day in and day out and the 7D delivers much better performance in detail, noise and Dynamic range than the best GH2 Raw files I have been able to extract. There is so much detail loss after noise removal in the GH2 that it turns the images to watercolor very quickly. Leaving a little more noise in they are acceptable but cant compete with the 7D IQ still. The DR as dpreview shows is much less and that is probably my main gripe with the GH2 images, I just can't get the performance in or out of studio that the 7D delivers. If I blow the highlights just a bit then I'm screwed so I have to play it safe and underexpose. The detail is there on the GH2 images just that the noise is too heavy for my taste.
I own both cameras "I wanted to sell the 7D right after getting the GH2" and I am using the GH2 about 90% of the time for video now. In some scenes 24H delivers in spades but high detail high motion the codec turns to mush an have to down res to 720p in order to deliver the finished material. The GH2 is capable of so much more detail and I might have to get a Ninja to dump the HDMI feed and avoid the AVCHD. There is no question that the GH2 delivers easily twice as much detail in video but the codec compression is full of swarm artifacts in fine detail and shadow chroma artifacts when you see it up close.
Just for kicks I tested the 7D in the exact same scenes and the 7D codec didn't break up, it did show less detail and moire and all that but the codec was stronger. The 40+mbits do actually hold their own there. If Vitally gets to hack the codec to 30mbits or more then the GH2 will be a perfect 1080 camera no doubt about it.
When no motion is involved the GH2 wins even on high detail scenes but when foliage starts to move its game over, you can see cube and stair artifacts around the detail. Not complete mud but hardly ideal. AVCHD is just an awful format, can't wait for this puppy to be hacked with increased bitrates.
I have to work with very high quality files day in and day out and the 7D delivers much better performance in detail, noise and Dynamic range than the best GH2 Raw files I have been able to extract. There is so much detail loss after noise removal in the GH2 that it turns the images to watercolor very quickly. Leaving a little more noise in they are acceptable but cant compete with the 7D IQ still. The DR as dpreview shows is much less and that is probably my main gripe with the GH2 images, I just can't get the performance in or out of studio that the 7D delivers. If I blow the highlights just a bit then I'm screwed so I have to play it safe and underexpose. The detail is there on the GH2 images just that the noise is too heavy for my taste.
I own both cameras "I wanted to sell the 7D right after getting the GH2" and I am using the GH2 about 90% of the time for video now. In some scenes 24H delivers in spades but high detail high motion the codec turns to mush an have to down res to 720p in order to deliver the finished material. The GH2 is capable of so much more detail and I might have to get a Ninja to dump the HDMI feed and avoid the AVCHD. There is no question that the GH2 delivers easily twice as much detail in video but the codec compression is full of swarm artifacts in fine detail and shadow chroma artifacts when you see it up close.
Just for kicks I tested the 7D in the exact same scenes and the 7D codec didn't break up, it did show less detail and moire and all that but the codec was stronger. The 40+mbits do actually hold their own there. If Vitally gets to hack the codec to 30mbits or more then the GH2 will be a perfect 1080 camera no doubt about it.
When no motion is involved the GH2 wins even on high detail scenes but when foliage starts to move its game over, you can see cube and stair artifacts around the detail. Not complete mud but hardly ideal. AVCHD is just an awful format, can't wait for this puppy to be hacked with increased bitrates.