any chance Canon might upgrade the C100's bitrate to 50Mbps???

Not having 60p in 6.5K camera is a pure slap in the face imho. I honestly believe that Canon does what it does because it can, people will buy the camera regardless even though I think its overpriced. That being said I am still struggling between the FS700 and the C100 for DOC use. If the C100 did 60p it would make my decision a little bit easier. But now I feel like I shouldn't reward Canon for intentionally crippling a camera and then overcharging for it.
 
Dafilman21 said:
Not having 60p in 6.5K camera is a pure slap in the face imho. I honestly believe that Canon does what it does because it can, people will buy the camera regardless even though I think its overpriced. That being said I am still struggling between the FS700 and the C100 for DOC use. If the C100 did 60p it would make my decision a little bit easier. But now I feel like I shouldn't reward Canon for intentionally crippling a camera and then overcharging for it.
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I'm right there with you. I love the slow motion of the FS700 but don't really like its ergonomics, on the other hand, I love the ergonomics of the C100 but hate that doesn't even have 60p.
 
It really stinks, I am not asking for 120fps just a measly 60fps, which most of the S35 camcorders in this price range has.
 
Dafilman21 said:
It really stinks, I am not asking for 120fps just a measly 60fps, which most of the S35 camcorders in this price range has.
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I've got the little Panasonic TM700 that we use for static sideline shots and it has 1080p 60fps. It's a few years old now but at the time it was like $700. Why a $7000 camera doesn't have 60fps in any resolution at all is beyond me...

Panasonic gets it.
Sony gets is.

Canon apparently doesn't.
 
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I just got off the phone with Canon and when I asked them whether there was any possibility that the 24 Mbps might be upgraded in a future firmware option, they said the nature of the AVCHD codec didn't make it possible. When I pointed out the GH3's AVCHD 50 Mbps-70 Mbps. They reiterated that the 24 Mbps limit had to be a limitation of the codec. Funny.

In case anyone was wondering. Canon's current EOS Utility is not working properly with OSX but they plan to update it in October. Now I know why the EOS Utility kept crashing in Mountain Lion, every time I turned on my 7D.
 
Nicholas Natteau said:
When I pointed out the GH3's AVCHD 50 Mbps-70 Mbps. They reiterated that the 24 Mbps limit had to be a limitation of the codec. Funny.
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Sometimes I wonder what goes on when they are developing a camera like this.
"Lets create an amazing state of the art sensor and put it in a really nice body and to top it off lets toss in an old codec that no one will want! Oh and lets jack up the price a few thousand for our troubles."

That is the one thing I actually like about Red. They wont just shoot themselves in the foot, they'll blow their entire leg off in order to create a good product (ie: Scarlet pretty much making the R1 obsolete)


Dammit Canon if the C100 did look so nice to shoot with I wouldn't even consider it... :D
 
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as i understand there is no slow or fast motion at all on c100? does it have interval recording/time laps?
 
Yoyodyne said:
Boy, I don't know if I would finance a camera over 2 years right now...
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I just took advantage of the 2 year deal at 0% the reason was straight forward for me. I don't have to outlay $16K of my companies money in one lump. But I can pay it off in 1 year or less if I want.
If the deal is for 0% interest, why not.
 
kk5hy said:
I just took advantage of the 2 year deal at 0% the reason was straight forward for me. I don't have to outlay $16K of my companies money in one lump. But I can pay it off in 1 year or less if I want.
If the deal is for 0% interest, why not.
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Exactly. Financing/Leasing has some major benefits for smaller companies. You're not tying up a large amount of equity, you're able to write off a portion of the monthly payment as a business expense, and if it's at 0% interest then even better.

Getting a newer camera may also get you certain jobs that an older camera wouldn't, also bringing in more money to the company.

Once the camera is paid for in 2 years or less you can always look at selling it for something else if necessary. Ideally the amount of work you had gotten in that 2 year period, combined with the price you sell the camera for, you SHOULD come out ahead.

It's not the best option for everyone, but financing and leasing shouldn't just be written off as a bad idea right off the bat.
 
Exactly the camera's ergonomics are quite appealing, the codec and lack of frame rates are not mostly because they are charging 6.5K.
 
Nicholas Natteau said:
I just got off the phone with Canon and when I asked them whether there was any possibility that the 24 Mbps might be upgraded in a future firmware option, they said the nature of the AVCHD codec didn't make it possible. When I pointed out the GH3's AVCHD 50 Mbps-70 Mbps. They reiterated that the 24 Mbps limit had to be a limitation of the codec. Funny.

In case anyone was wondering. Canon's current EOS Utility is not working properly with OSX but they plan to update it in October. Now I know why the EOS Utility kept crashing in Mountain Lion, every time I turned on my 7D.
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its seems like that you dont really understand what u r talking about! there is no any kind of AVCHD 50-70Mbps in GH3, and probably never will. gh3 uses AVCHD 2.0 what has a max of 28Mbps with 60/50p. its standard. GH3 also uses all i codec up to 72Mbps and its not the same as AVCHD.

My pany af101 has the same AVCHD 1.0 or 1.xx with max around 21Mbps at 25p/30p, there is no 60p yet. but not so long ago pany came up with a payed soft update that gives AF100 - AVCHD 2.0 with max 28Mbps at 60/50p (new cams already has avchd 2.0 standard).

so again there is no AVCHD with 70Mbps, never was , and probably never will, as most likely there will be something like AVCHD 3.0 with more mbps!

of course no one understand why Canon put OLD codec on new and kind of expansive camcorder, as looks like their avchd is 1.xx , why they used it instead of 2.0 - only god knows why....

about 4:2:2 - there will be no 4:2:2 as unfortunately avchd is 4:2:0, so unless they will change the codec nothing will be improved......
 
Jim, no disrespect to your promo video, but is there something in place that says you can't show us the images that come out of the camera? We all know what the camera looks like, I think the question here is how does it perform. For some reason there seems to be plenty of these promo models floating around, but only one video actually shot on it, which does not showcase it very well.
 
anatusa said:
its seems like that you dont really understand what u r talking about! there is no any kind of AVCHD 50-70Mbps in GH3, and probably never will. gh3 uses AVCHD 2.0 what has a max of 28Mbps with 60/50p. its standard. GH3 also uses all i codec up to 72Mbps and its not the same as AVCHD.

My pany af101 has the same AVCHD 1.0 or 1.xx with max around 21Mbps at 25p/30p, there is no 60p yet. but not so long ago pany came up with a payed soft update that gives AF100 - AVCHD 2.0 with max 28Mbps at 60/50p (new cams already has avchd 2.0 standard).

so again there is no AVCHD with 70Mbps, never was , and probably never will, as most likely there will be something like AVCHD 3.0 with more mbps!

of course no one understand why Canon put OLD codec on new and kind of expansive camcorder, as looks like their avchd is 1.xx , why they used it instead of 2.0 - only god knows why....

about 4:2:2 - there will be no 4:2:2 as unfortunately avchd is 4:2:0, so unless they will change the codec nothing will be improved......
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Anatusa, let's try to keep it friendly. There was no need for that first line.

Yes, I was wrong about the 50-70 Mbps being AVCHD. I see now that this applies to ".mov (H264)". But I assume you're aware that the GH2 once hacked can shoot up to and beyond 176 Mbps AVCHD? So to say that AVCHD can't shoot anything beyond 24 Mbps ignores the many hacks that were developed that have made the GH2 such a phenomenal video tool.
 
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Anatusa, let's try to keep it friendly. There was no need for that first line.

Yes, I was wrong about the 50-70 Mbps being AVCHD. I see now that this applies to ".mov (H264)". But I assume you're aware that the GH2 once hacked can shoot up to and beyond 176 Mbps AVCHD? So to say that AVCHD can't shoot anything beyond 24 Mbps ignores the many hacks that were developed that have made the GH2 such a phenomenal video tool.
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english is my 2nd language..... so if it sounds rude , i am sorry it was not my intention......

anyway, i think u wrong again - avchd is the industry standard, it is what it is and it will remain this way until they(Pany and Sony i believe) will develop something better, and as soon u can understand it the sooner the question will disappear ....

you told your self the key word - HACKED and its not the standard i am not an expert but i think u ll loose the warranty after installation of that. the reliability of it is most likely questionable, i would never bring something like that to professional job, and canon for sure cant put their signature on something that may or may not work when u need it to. its maybe good for filming cats at home, but its not what u would want to rely on at serious job.

the only thing i dont understand is - why not avchd 2.0? what a hell? - i find it as a slap in the face..... and maybe its what maybe the future update from canon can bring.... but its most like the max that u can dream of!
 
I understand your point about the reliability issue. All I can say is that using a Class 10 card I never once had any mishap shooting at 176 Mbps, and I've done it dozens of times over the last year. That's not to say that I would bring my hacked GH2 to a professional shoot.

There are some issues that do occur like changes in color temperature when you hit record on the hacked GH2. But am I worried about voiding my warranty? Not at all. The picture quality you get with the hack is phenomenal for a "consumer" camera that costs less than $1,000. So I have no regrets whatsoever about hacking my GH2.

But now that Panasonic has officially put it's stamp on "50-70 Mbps" for the GH3, there'll be no need to hack it. And it should serve very well as a discreet run-gun camera.
 
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I understand your point about the reliability issue. All I can say is that using a Class 10 card I never once had any mishap shooting at 176 Mbps, and I've done it dozens of times over the last year. That's not to say that I would bring my hacked GH2 to a professional shoot.

There are some issues that do occur like changes in color temperature when you hit record on the hacked GH2. But am I worried about voiding my warranty? Not at all. The picture quality you get with the hack is phenomenal for a "consumer" camera that costs less than $1,000. So I have no regrets whatsoever about hacking my GH2.

But now that Panasonic has officially put it's stamp on "50-70 Mbps" for the GH3, there'll be no need to hack it. And it should serve very well as a discreet run-gun camera.
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its not the question of that treat - what others do or have? The question was - any chance Canon might upgrade the C100's bitrate to 50Mbps??? and the answer is - NO! why? because there is no such standard currently! pure and simple. Also most likely there will be no significant changes as it may hurt the c300 sales..... but i hope we can hope for avchd 2.0
 
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