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Derek.Sine

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Has anyone ever heard of software that stops people from burning DVD's? Maybe a good or just plain stupid question but I haven't had much luck.


Thanks,
Derek
 
Most DVD authoring software will allow you to put copyright protection on it. But, the problem is consumer DVD burners can not burn that onto the DVD. You would have to send out your work to a place that can, and that can be expensive.
 
does it really work that is the question. (off the record) I'm sure Netflix's Dvds have anti burning software but why is it so easy. There's gotta be something out there; somewhat difficult.
 
Derek.Sine said:
does it really work that is the question. (off the record) I'm sure Netflix's Dvds have anti burning software but why is it so easy. There's gotta be something out there; somewhat difficult.
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I've never tried it, so I can't say. What do you mean with "but why is it so easy" and "somewhat difficult"?

What's easy? If you are meaning a better way to copy protect to make it harder to rip? Ain't gonna happen. There is WAYYYYY to much software out there that blows through copy protection like it's not there. And for every new and inventive way they find to encode, someone will write a new plugin, program, or library that will get around it.
 
breaking it down, it's easy to burn Netflix dvd's, I was looking for something that your average Joe could not burn. Thank you for the answer.
 
Derek.Sine said:
breaking it down, it's easy to burn Netflix dvd's, I was looking for something that your average Joe could not burn. Thank you for the answer.
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Netflix DVDs are no different than the kind you would buy or rent at the video store.

They are all dual layer DVDs with the standard protection (well, some use alternate methods).

Though I would caution you against saying things like " it's easy to burn Netflix dvd's" in this forum as that implies piracy.


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I was using netflix's as an example everyone can relate too, I personally don't burn netflix Dvd's. I was just curious a client I'm cutting for is losing a ton of profit due to do people burning the Dvd series.
 
It's data. It can be copied. The reason you are asking is probably that you have a business reason for doing so. The better question to ask may be how should you structure your business dealings in a manner that mitigates piracy risk?
 
There are three main types of copy protection currently being used on commercial DVDs (technical types, forgive the overly simplified explanations, I'm too lazy to explain in detail, so I've simply linked to the relevant Wikipedia articles)

1) CSS Encryption: This is what keeps you from coping the raw data file off of the disc and playing them back on your PC or another DVD. This can only be done via a DVD replication center.

2) Macrovision: This is what keeps you from making analog copies of a DVD by hooking it's video outputs to a VCR or video capture card. Some software can add Macrovision protection to your burned discs, but the use of it requires a separate license and per disc fees.

3) CGMS: Basically keeps you from using a digital recorder from making a copy via the analog outputs. Kind of like Macrovision, but while Macrovision's primary purpose is to make the picture unwatchable, CGMS is designed to make your recorder refuse to actually record at all.

ALL of the above methods are easily circumvented using a variety of freely downloadable tools, though bypassing CSS is illegal in the United States due to the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, even if you are simply bypassing the encryption to make a legally authorized backup copy. Note that as a result, there is currently no DVD playback software for GNU/Linux that is legal to use in the US.


Anyway, the point is that if you can watch something, you can copy it. All DRM is broken eventually, and you are only restricting your legitimate customers from being able to fully utilize what they paid for.
 
tmnt said:
The thing is, these days, mums and dads know how to pirate a dvd.
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I dont know if I would go quite that far t. Most people around here probably could, or knows someone to ask about the correct software, but we are certainly not the "norm". We are, by large, technically savy with this specific medium. I didn't know what kind of software to do this with until a computer guru friend of mine actually asked my why I didn't have the software on my system and told me where to get it And that wasn't until a year or so ago, even though I have been in the biz for well over 5 years.

Not that I use said software, most DVDs out nowadays aren't worth the price of a DVDr. Those that are, I simply buy, because I want better quality and don't like the additional compression artifacts.
 
Copy protection is only as good as the next hacker. Eventually it gets hacked and software is created so people can get past the protection. The industry keeps creating and the hackers keep hacking.
 
Matt Grunau said:
I dont know if I would go quite that far t. Most people around here probably could, or knows someone to ask about the correct software, but we are certainly not the "norm". We are, by large, technically savy with this specific medium. I didn't know what kind of software to do this with until a computer guru friend of mine actually asked my why I didn't have the software on my system and told me where to get it And that wasn't until a year or so ago, even though I have been in the biz for well over 5 years.
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No, mums and dads can do it. A few years ago you needed to know what you were doing. Now you just need to know how to download. Once you've got the rip program it automatically detects and circumvents the copy protection. Hackers will always be ahead of the DRM. What takes years to develop takes mere days to break through.

There is no point to copy protection. The best it achieves is creating problems for idiots like me who actually buy their movies. Only to have the remote control locked out to force me to sit through all their logos EVERY time and then experience a slight reduction in picture quality due to the headroom occupied by the useless copy protection. Then when your DVD player gets old it refuses to play legitimate DVDs due to copy protection. For a brief time I was ripping my legitimate DVDs (from the major studios in particular) to get a better experience out of them. Ridiculous! For a while Blurays didn't have any of these problems but the last two I bought locked out my remote control....get-ting ANGRY!!! :Drogar-Angry(DBG):

People who are going to rip media are going to rip media. People who are going to buy media are going to buy media (until they get so pissed off they start ripping). No copy protection is going to alter that. As suggested by others you are better off employing a business model that encourages people to buy the media, such as an event model (sell at screenings) or a merchandising model (get the DVD with a T-shirt). I've bought a number of DVDs that actively promote the fact they are not copy protected. Being asked to do the right thing doesn't leave a bad taste in your mouth with such an enterprise. You need to appeal to the base market (those that buy) because there is nothing you can do about the others.

Rant over.
 
There actually was interest (I'm not sure if it was standardized) in creating some consumer level CSS-like protection, but I doubt it would be as "effective" as commercial level CSS. Nevermind the fact that CSS is a relatively primitive encryption by today's standards.
 
Like a previous poster pointed out; the only people who are going to be damaged by DRM are the legitimate customers...
Just like the FBI Piracy warning notices that you have to sit through before you can watch your legally purchased movie (the pirated version would conveniently cut this part out).

The fact of the matter is, you could go to the cost and effort of putting protection on it and it will still get ripped within 5 minutes by someone who really wanted to get the data off there.
So, if the people who are capable of doing it will circumvent it anyway, then there's no reason to put an extra burden on yourself and your paying customers in the form of CSS/disclaimers etc.
 
Before you put your faith in any anti-piracy disc protection, I would test to see how difficult it is to crack the protection, otherwise your client might be buying into something that does not work.

For testing purposes, the most common DRM removal software is the SlySoft.com consumer software, which is supposed to be used to make legal "back-ups" of protected discs.
 
TheDingo said:
Before you put your faith in any anti-piracy disc protection, I would test to see how difficult it is to crack the protection, otherwise your client might be buying into something that does not work.

For testing purposes, the most common DRM removal software is the SlySoft.com consumer software, which is supposed to be used to make legal "back-ups" of protected discs.
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In all practicality, decrypting CSS is a trivial process. Though it is "industry-standard" it has not mattered for quite some time. This is why Sony opted to try ARcoSS protection on newer discs, which breaks playback in some devices.
 
A word to the wise: discussing piracy and the various possible procedures etc. are not something that's encouraged on dvxuser. This thread is going to get locked up in a hurry, so please desist from discussing this any further.

I would also like to point out that this is a thread from 2007 that was inexplicably brought back from the dead by Cryogenic Filmworks. Subsequently, Egg Born Son responded to Matt Grunau. Matt has been dead for years now (see sticky at the top of the Cafe forum), and there is no chance that he will be brought back to life to respond.
 
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