Another HVX Review

Got to play with an HVX200 yesterday that a friend has on loan for evaluation. He called knowing I would be interested to see how it performed.

I was interested in one thing, what does the final image look? I wanted to know how it would resolve a landscape shot. What kind of detail would the lens pick up? I came to the conclusion that this isn't the camera for me. I wasn't surprised, but disappointed. It was as I expected with a camera that has 1/3 inch sensors.

We set the camera on a tripod in the front yard and aimed it down the street. The camera was set at 1080 24P, no gain, with the exposure just under the zebras in the sky. Parked cars in the foreground, the boulevard crossing at the end of the street and mountains in the background. Well, the mountains had a ghosting effect. The stop sign at the end of the street had distracting fuzziness as did a large TIRES sign. Foreground seemed very good. The same scene zoomed in looked much better. The mountains became sharper and detail was clearer. So I quickly saw the limits of this camera.

I believe that in less demanding scenes, ones that don't require resolving smaller details, the camera performs nicely. My friend showed me some stuff he had shot at the auto show earlier in the day and it all looked very good. Sharp and colorful.

One major problem with the camera is that the swing out monitor is very hard to work with. You must look at it straight on or you lose the image. This makes it very difficult for scene judgment. I didn’t understand how difficult this would be until I tried it. A good remote monitor would solve this problem.

I believe anyone that was happy with the DVX100 will like this camera with all the new bells and whistles it has. I think it will be great for documentary work. I don’t think it is the right camera for weddings. I think for intimate story telling the image will not distract. But I think if you were hoping that this camera would compete with a Varicam for image beauty, well, those with 2/3 in chip cameras don't need fear competition from the HVX.

We shot some stuff inside the house and saw that the image could get quite noisy without enough light. In fact the HVX had more noise than some comparable shots that we had with the Sony FX-1. I thought that the Sony camera out performed the HVX, even though it was shooting on tape. We shot a music video a few weeks earlier with the Sony and I was very surprised and how well it performed. <http://www.plumwerks.com/secret/video/introduction.html>

I would recommend to anyone who was interested in the HVX200 not to jump in but to rent one and see if it meets your needs. Me, I'm going to keep dreaming about a 2/3 inch chip camera that I could afford and maybe pick up a Sony FX-1 to play around with.

I’ve been reading DVX User.com for some time now in anticipation of this Panasonic camera. Thanks to all that have kept me up to date. I hope this post helps someone.
 
We did a component out of the camera into a high def wide screen computer monitor. About a 30". I don't remember the brand name.
 
I wish people would stop talking about how a 1/3 chip cam isn't as good as a 2/3 chip model!!!!!!!

That's akin to saying a 22 magnum isn't as powerful as a 44 magnum - duh!!
Or a Ford Mustang isn't as fast as the Ford GT - duh!!
Or 8mm isn't as good as 16mm - duh!!
Or 16mm isn't as good as 35mm - duh!!
Or skate dolly isn't as good as a Fisher dolly - duh!!
Or a Glidecam2000 isn't as good as a Stedicam Gold - duh!!
Or a one bedroom in South Central is as good as penthouse in Westwood - duh!!

somethings are just plain obvious to most rational people in this world, or need I go on? Please.

Is everyone on this DV planet so damn stupid they can't wrap their little brains around that old venerable saying "you get what you pay for"?

Or is this world now full of people like those Hollywood bimbos that think they deserve everything they want without putting out?

Why don't some of you people go to a Hugo delership and tell them you want a car as fast and pretty as a Ferrari for 15,000!
Go to Wolfgang Puck's and tell the waiter you want their best steak for 5.95
Go to Delta and tell them you want to fly first class for 99 bucks
Go to Harvard and tell them you want to enroll in their masters program for 2,000 a year - oh wait, my bad; Harvard doesn't except morons that don't understand basic math and rational thought.

End of rant
now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to my medice cabinet

P.S. I'm buying an HVX200, because I think it's one of the best, if not THE BEST, 1/3 chip cams out there. I made my choice based on comparisons of other cams IN THE SAME PRICE RANGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Steve Lazur said:
But I think if you were hoping that this camera would compete with a Varicam for image beauty, well, those with 2/3 in chip cameras don't need fear competition from the HVX.

Thanks for the down to earth report.

I wouldn't think that the HVX200 could approach Varicam quality, but I am expecting it to blow away any DV camera. How it competes against other HD cameras is an old tired debate so I won't go there. Someone said in a moment of clarity that ALL these cameras are an exersize in compromise. Question is what compromises are worse than others.

Upon reading about focus concerns on all these HD cameras, and confirmed yet again by your experience with the camera, I've already purchased a larger on-camera monitor.
 
Steve,
Seeing is believing. I would also like a chance to check it out.

Your best bet would be to buy a camera from a dealer that offers some recourse, such as refund or exchange for another camera.

Steve, I happened to notice that you are a new member today. Is your friend a member of this forum that actually owns the camera?

It seems a little strange for ones very first post on an HVX200 forum to mention it's not for me, but you were happy with a Sony....hmmmm


thxs, Steve
 
I have been reading this forum for over a year. Today I had something to add. Now maybe I'm sorry. More proof you can't make everyone happy.
 
Stevet said:
Steve,


It seems a little strange for ones very first post on an HVX200 forum to mention it's not for me, but you were happy with a Sony....hmmmm


thxs, Steve

yes i noticed that too. another thing, "Steve" spelled backwards is "Eve st" ie "Eve Street" and it just so happens the Sony Public Relations Office is located on 195 N. Eve Street in Pacoima California. Coincidence? I think not.
 
brianluce said:
yes i noticed that too. another thing, "Steve" spelled backwards is "Eve st" ie "Eve Street" and it just so happens the Sony Public Relations Office is located on 195 N. Eve Street in Pacoima California. Coincidence? I think not.
actually it's Evet S. An old GF of mine.
Evete...is that really you???? :huh:
 
Steve, thank you for your honest report.

Icarus2005 - I almost fell of my chair laughing at your post. I'm trying to see what I'm typing through my tears. I needed that, thanks :)
 
Thanks for the post Steve - As you may find, all cameras (including film) seem sharper in a medium/closeup than on a wide shot - this includes film. Often when I watch a 35mm film projected, I watch the detail dropoff in the large establishing shots/vistas compared to mediums/closeups. Of course 35mm holds up much better but I am not surprised that the HVX isnt as good there. Did you try setting the detail level to -4 in the scene settings? That should help with indoor shots.
 
About the "noise", I understand that it is from signal compression. When the camera was under exposing, the underexposed areas would appear to boil, if you will. Or it could be descibed as moving grain. Or if you've seen processed motion picture film that wasn't dried properly, you see the ever changing watermarks. Something like that. Not real pronounced, and not uncommon to video. I see this effect in most all the consumer big screen displays. I also understand that some use this effect to create the film look. Grain. Hope that helps.
 
My wife's car is a Toyota Pruis Hybrid and yes, there are trips where we REALLY do get 50 MPG. On our last major trip we got 45MPG over the whole trip. We could have done better, but it was summer and we had to run the air all the time dropping the MPG. You would think that given what this car could do, everyone would love it, BUT I see all sorts of negative comments in the paper and posted in the internet. Does this bug me, not really, we we know what the car can do and we love the car.

What does a Pruis have to do with the HVX-200? Simple, not everyone sees things the same way. Many will love the camera and some will say the don't like it. Does this bother me, not really. I know what I saw at DV Expo West and I know what I like. I also know that we've seen several positive comments in the forum. So, any negative comments that appear are outnumbered by the positive comments.


Bob Diaz
 
Well, I'm glad some people don't like it. Otherwise there would really be a shortage of cams to go around. :)
Thanks for the info Steve. ;)
 
Thanks Steve.

Knowing the limitations is the first step to overcoming them. Personally, I like varying takes and opinions. Appreciate the input.

Cheers.
 
BobDiaz said:
I know what I saw at DV Expo West and I know what I like. I also know that we've seen several positive comments in the forum. So, any negative comments that appear are outnumbered by the positive comments.
Bob Diaz

I couldn't agree more.
 
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