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Drafts are involuntary; your consent is not required. A stop loss is something you agree to as a term of service.
 
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Yes. Exactly.

In fact, when my brother got out of the army after 4 years there was a '5 year' window he had to make through. Yes, you heard me correctly: 5 years.
 
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I just lost an assistant because the Navy called her back.

Damn that Top Secret clearance!!!!

She's shipping out on the Ronald Reagan. Sweeeeet.
 
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[quote author=David Jimerson link=board=Offtopic;num=1088947258;start=315#322 date=07/08/04 at 18:35:11]She's shipping out on the Ronald Reagan.[/quote]

Hmm, the RR? I wonder if they ever forget where they're going? :D
 
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Im with you Dave on the socialization of medicine.
Truth is yeah.. Everyone from a human perspective deserves medical attention.

Also.. I feel a child or anyone else for that matter should never go hungry. We are such a great nation.. How could this be.. Starving folks here in america.. If we were to give these people medical but.. no food..? What kind of people would we be?

Also we should give them water to wash it down with.. And no one deserves to be homeless.. In an ideal world.. everyone deserves shelter.. Free medical and food but no water or shelter?

In this society in the midwest you cant really survive without a car.. or of course your impoverished so we need to put fuel in the vehicle so they can get up and down the highway.

In addition.. A telephone is essential to communicate effectively with the outside world.. It would be very hard to get by without this neccesity especially if the care of small children are involved.

I think these things are pretty much given to those who are elegible for these funds. (welfare) Of course I have these funds available as well (job). My sister works for the state and they give out checks to illegal aliens who arent working.. Its insane.. IMHO

im by no means saying we shouldnt give these things.. We are just over burdened it seems with all of these impoverished people.. Especially when they are here from another country recieving funds from our public coffers..

I was raised by a single mother.. And I know about hard times as an adult as well... im not sure what the fix is.. i think education is a key component..

I remember reading about the great depression and how they had soup lines miles long they say.. Well I used to work for a check cashing store in Philly(dont ask) ;D And when that time of the month roles around there were thousands and thousands of checks cashed between just a couple of stores.. Sounds like a mile long line that has been managed somewhat moreso effectively.. My 2c
 
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Kind of what I was getting at when I said "Yeah yeah Never happen". But screw the adults. Just the children Im talking about. So, the children need food and medical. They dont need cars, phones, etc etc
 
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your right John but their caretakers will need a vehicle to shuttle their lil' asses back and forth to daycare and the dr. etc..  ;) lol
Oh yeah daycare i forgot we need that to..
I do understand what your saying and i feel the same i guess..I was just applying that same school of thought or mentality to the big picture.. and to where it can and has led us.
 
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If I knew id win the Nobel Prize...lol
Id share it with you though for all your input ;D ;) lol
 
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[quote author=John Hudson link=board=Offtopic;num=1088947258;start=315#323 date=07/08/04 at 19:06:18]No way!  The RR?  Nuclear baby.  [/quote]

Yeah, actually, she (my assistant) is in your neighborhood right now.

And I think the RR may be as well . . .
 
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Slapdragon,

I saw your previous message about "stop-loss" and agree with what you say, but I still say it's a form of a draft. Here's my reasoning, when I signed up for selective service, I was eligable for the draft, but it was peace time and there was no draft. Then I got old (bummer) and they didn't want me. The existing soldier base ends their tour of duty and then is in the holding pattern for 5 years in which they can be called back. This lands them in pool to be called up similar to being in the selective service, just a different kind of pool. In peace time, they most likely would not be called up. Does my reasoning hold?

Scott
 
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Scott, the difference is that if you're drafted out of civilian life, it had nothing to do with consent on your part. But if you go in voluntarily, one of the terms of your service is that you may be called back later. This is a condition that you accepted voluntarily.

It's no different than, say, a provision in an actor's contract requiring him to return for reshoots if need be, even months or a year after production ends.
 
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Exactly.

I can see your take and how it might be reasoned Scott but as mentioned above it is "in the contract you sign at MEPS". When your sworn in, it's part of the deal.

A draft from selective service is a completely different monster.
 
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[quote author=Scott_Spears link=board=Offtopic;num=1088947258;start=330#333 date=07/09/04 at 09:09:49]Slapdragon,

 Does my reasoning hold?

Scott[/quote]

I understand your reasoning, and if some poor schmuck outside of their window of IRR services was called in, it would be right on the money.

The stop loss is part of the Individual Ready Reserve. If you read a soldier's contract of service, it states plainly that they are signed up for x years active + x years in the IRR. Calling them back to service is more akin to calling a guardsman, since IRR is part of the reserves, and IRR soldiers are listed on inactive reserve status. Although not common knowledge, some soldiers in high value jobs, even in peacetime, find themselves recalled for IRR duty in the regulars, for example doctors and lawyers are sometimes called to active duty for special situations from their IRR commitment.
 
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Scott,

Stop-loss allows the defense secretary, through a presidential executive order, to involuntarily extend soldiers' active-duty service requirements. Soldiers would not be allowed to retire or leave the service at the end of their initial obligatory periods of enlistment.

Like John, David and Slapdragon have already mentioned there is a distinction between a civilian with no military experience being involuntarily pressed into service and a soldier/sailor/airmen, upon enlisting, fully knowing the terms and conditions for enlistment, even after their discharge.  Discharged soldiers have a ready source of experience under their belt from which the government can draw upon quickly if need be - much faster and less controversial than drafting civilians.

Sure it sucks for a soldier to do their time only to be called back to duty, but then again, it shouldn't be that much of a surprise either.  Stop-Loss is a necessary evil to any military and it use is not exclusive to the United States.  Most countries have some form of IRR or stop-loss in times of crisis.

Hope this makes sense.
 
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Shouldnt be any shock whatsoever and it is pretty clear upon entry. Im not sure how it was handled for you guys in your branches but in the USCG they made it very clear and in my brothers term in the ARMY the same thing. HE knew about going in and knew about for the next 5 years!
 
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You know, post for post, this thread is a lot more interesting and informative than 300 posts of "Where's Matt's video??  How can I see it?!!?  I'm DYING to see this thing!!!  I wanna have his love child!!!!!"

::)
 
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