ALIEN prequel

Nektonic

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Looks like the Scott brothers (Ridley and Tony) are going to co-produce an ALIEN prequel that will be directed by one of their proteges, commercial director Carl Rinsch.

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/41241

http://www.bloody-disgusting.com/news/16328

As a huge fan of the first two Alien films, and an admirer of the the third one, I'm not thrilled to hear this because I think it will be a very hard film to get right, especially with Alien vs. Predator tainting it. It also has added pressure to live up to the first two even since it is going to be a prequel. Call me crazy, but I'm tired of prequels/remakes/reboots. I suppose with Star Trek raking in the dough, prequels and more reboots will be even hotter than ever with the studios. At least from what these articles are saying, this new Alien will not be an outright remake of the first film.

I guess I am sorta bummed a bit too, because it has always been a dream of mine to eventually make it as a writer and then land the job of writing an Aliens sequel that could be a new story alongside the existing films. I have a few really good Aliens ideas which I won't go into now. Suffice to say, if you've read the first three Dark Horse comic book Aliens series (Book One, Two, and Earth War) where the aliens spread all over the Earth, then that is a good indicator of what type of territory my version would occupy.

As for what made the first three films was, with the exception of Ripley, it was all about new characters discovering the aliens for the first time and trying to survive. Even in the second film this dynamic held in place with Ripley since she still feared the alien as it haunted her dreams. Of course, Aliens also introduced a new alien creature too. Add to that, the shift from one alien to a whole bunch of them was a big enough shift to keep Ripley from feeling safe even in the company of the Colonial Marines. By the third film she was a little more jaded/experienced with killing these creatures, but we still had a whole bunch of new characters that were encountering HR Giger's beautiful abomination for the first time. Also, the threat of only one alien didn't seem big enough after Aliens. I think that by the fourth film the Ripley arc has been worn out, no matter how awesome a performance Sigourney Weaver can deliver. Plus that film was just a bit too silly. It was if they weren't even trying to make a tense and terrifying sci-fi/action/horror film.

This series needs new characters, a whole new start, not a prequel. The aliens use human or other alien species' bodies as a host. There isn't a need for character continuity in this series. Doing a prequel undercuts the specialness of the first film being the first human encounter with these creatures (technically AvP was a prequel for the Alien series and look how that one turned out). Aliens was the obvious extension of the one alien hunting down the crew plot. Alien 3 didn't completely work for me in large part because it felt like they were trying to do the first film again, only with a radically different visual palette. I don't see anywhere else to go but with multiple creatures ala Aliens. The mystery and mood of the first film can't be redone. The only sequel of the whole franchise to favorably compare to the first film (and some would argue is even better) was Aliens.
 
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I just heard about this. I hope they don't screw it up. Alien is one of my favourite films. I just finished going through the entire series a few days ago.
 
I just finished going through the entire series a few days ago.

I can't make it through the entire "quadrilogy" anymore. I pretty much watch Alien and Aliens, yet I do like Alien 3, just not as well as the first two. Usually after the adrenaline rush of Aliens I'm not always in the mood for the third one.
 
I wouldn't mind seeing another Alien movie as long as there is involvement by either Ridley Scott OR James Cameron.

Since Scott Free is involved, I'm certainly willing to give it a chance.
 
I wouldn't mind seeing another Alien movie as long as there is involvement by either Ridley Scott OR James Cameron.

I remember seeing a video released around the time Alien vs. Predator came out, where James Cameron gave his opinion on that film.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKnS7CGWNmU

Supposedly a few years ago James Cameron and Ridley Scott were entertaining the idea of co-producing another Alien film with Cameron also in the writer's seat and director's chair. Then Alien vs. Predator was released and they both figured it would be better to just move on (more like run away as fast as possible) from the franchise.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TQLRMIGA2I&feature=related

Since Scott Free is involved, I'm certainly willing to give it a chance.

At least Ridley Scott is involved. That is what gives me hope that this could be a worthy addition to the first three films, cause for me, after Alien 3 it was all downhill from there for this series.
 
Bottom line is it doesn't need to be made. The latest fad is to dust off a franchise and reboot it and I can't think of one reboot based on anything from the 70's / 80's that was even worth a second viewing. Even the concept of sequels 10 or more years later. (I'm not counting AVP) - It's sad that the originality of H-town has been overshadowed by the profit margin of an already branded franchise. Even with Ridley & Tony at the helm, neither are the directors they were at the time of Alien and I think trying to recreate that 30 years later is a bad idea.
 
Alien vs Predator always made me think of movies like:

Frankenstein Meets the Wolf Man
Abbot & Costello Meet: (take your pick) The Invisible Man, Frankenstein, The Mummy et al.
 
AVP should have been a film without dialogue...in the sense that Humans needn't be included. I felt that the human element in AVP and AVPR is what ruined it. You never get bad acting from latex, animatronics and CG...only from bad people delivering shitty lines very poorly.

Screw it...I'm writing a synopsis for an AVP reboot, and I'm not naming it AVP, but something else...like LV-426, so that only the hardcore fans would know what it is. **** yea!

I'm out...off to IMDB Pro to find someone at Fox to pitch this to via phone. :kiss:
 
Bottom line is it doesn't need to be made. The latest fad is to dust off a franchise and reboot it and I can't think of one reboot based on anything from the 70's / 80's that was even worth a second viewing. Even the concept of sequels 10 or more years later. (I'm not counting AVP) - It's sad that the originality of H-town has been overshadowed by the profit margin of an already branded franchise. Even with Ridley & Tony at the helm, neither are the directors they were at the time of Alien and I think trying to recreate that 30 years later is a bad idea.

I'm betting this Alien prequel got the greenlight because it is sci-fi and from the 70's and well, there's that little JJ Abrams sci-fi movie that is raking in the dough, and happens to be a remake, which in Hollywood all falls under the whole remake/reboot/re-imagining/prequel/ phenomenon. At this rate we should just refer to all of the above as a regurgitation, or regurg for short. I'm sick of all these freaking regurgs.

What is sad is that you can almost predict what films are going to be regurged up to a couple of years from now. I was talking to my brother about this last night. We rented the TV miniseries Taken, since we hadn't seen it before. Matt Frewer (who played Max Headroom) is in it, and we both mentioned that fact. A few seconds later it just hit me that after the upcoming Tron sequel makes money (TR2N or whatever strange wording will be used for it) there will obviously be a Max Headroom film made for today's audiences.

Alien vs Predator always made me think of movies like:

Frankenstein Meets the Wolf Man
Abbot & Costello Meet: (take your pick) The Invisible Man, Frankenstein, The Mummy et al.

How about Alien vs. Predator vs. Terminator vs. Robocop vs. The Matrix vs. Star Trek vs. Darth Vader vs. Bill Adama vs. Harry Potter vs. Lord of the Rings vs. Conan the Barbarian vs. CGI John Wayne vs. CGI Bruce Lee vs. Chuck Norris vs. Walter White vs. Tuco vs. Chesley Burnett "Sully" Sullenberger III vs. Barack Obama vs. God vs. The Devil vs. Alexander the Great vs. Julius Ceaser vs. Canon vs. Sony vs. Panasonic vs. Red?
 
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How about Alien vs. Predator vs. Terminator vs. Robocop vs. The Matrix vs. Star Trek vs. Darth Vader vs. Bill Adama vs. Harry Potter vs. Lord of the Rings vs. Conan the Barbarian vs. CGI John Wayne vs. CGI Bruce Lee vs. Chuck Norris vs. Walter White vs. Tuco vs. Chesley Burnett "Sully" Sullenberger III vs. Barack Obama vs. God vs. The Devil vs. Alexander the Great vs. Julius Ceaser vs. Canon vs. Sony vs. Panasonic vs. Red?
That would do it. :happy:
 
That would do it. :happy:

Well, the story would be a travesty, but it could have some epic action set pieces.

Oh, I also forgot to add in Mac vs. PC in there too. For those they could just have Justin Long and John Hodgman reprise their roles as the Mac Guy and PC Guy.
 
AVP should have been a film without dialogue...in the sense that Humans needn't be included. I felt that the human element in AVP and AVPR is what ruined it. You never get bad acting from latex, animatronics and CG...only from bad people delivering shi*ty lines very poorly.

Screw it...I'm writing a synopsis for an AVP reboot, and I'm not naming it AVP, but something else...like LV-426, so that only the hardcore fans would know what it is. shi* yea!

I'm out...off to IMDB Pro to find someone at Fox to pitch this to via phone. :kiss:


I completely loved AVP and AVPR. I really and truly think people have taken these monster movies like Terminator, Predator and Aliens and have given them some kind of bizarre status they never intended. They're monster movies. Popcorn. They're not nor were they ever meant to be something like Blade Runner or Dark City or Donnie Darko. They're our Creature from the Black Lagoon and, like you said, Frankenstien meets the Wolfman. These don't need to be thought-provoking or have some massive character arc. They should just be blood and guts, boom and blast scary fun. If they make 20 or 30 more alien movies, who cares so long as they're fun and I get to see aliens running around bursting out of people's chests? It doesn't take anything away from the Tim Burton Batman films just because the Schumacher ones (or at least the last one) sucked it.

The only thing that matters to me is that they don't mess up the other films. Don't give me a movie that says, "This is what was happening in the next room while Ripley was asleep". Like how with this most recent Superman movie they chose to mess up the earlier franchise for absolutely no reason. Should have been a cool movie, but it messed with the original movies -- pointless and disheartening.

So if The Predator wants to fight the Terminator while the Aliens eat them both and the Transformers and Thundercats are BBQing in the house next door, I'm down for it so long as they find SOME way to not intrude on what's already happened. I think T4 treaded extremely well. I'm sure the Alien folks will be just as delicate. I mean, hey, if they can do an OK job with friggin Silence of the Lambs, they should be able to do it with a popcorn monster flick.
 
They're monster movies. Popcorn. They're not nor were they ever meant to be something like Blade Runner or Dark City or Donnie Darko.

Totally disagree. Predator, and the first two Alien(s) flicks were quintessential suspense/action. Neither were over the top scary, nor were they TOO action packed. They were great mixtures of CONCEPT and DELIVERY. You cannot put Aliens on the same level as Elm Street. Elm Street WAS a monster movie. Fred Krueger was our CBL, not the Predator.

And yes, these movies DO have a cult following, just as much as Blade Runner and Darko, if not MORE than Dark City. AVP and AVPR while popcorn, still failed at overall entertainment. I didn't walk out talking about them like I did other popcorn flicks. I just walked. They did the same justice to AVP that was given to Freddy VS Jason.
 
Totally disagree. Predator, and the first two Alien(s) flicks were quintessential suspense/action. Neither were over the top scary, nor were they TOO action packed. They were great mixtures of CONCEPT and DELIVERY. You cannot put Aliens on the same level as Elm Street. Elm Street WAS a monster movie. Fred Krueger was our CBL, not the Predator.

And yes, these movies DO have a cult following, just as much as Blade Runner and Darko, if not MORE than Dark City. AVP and AVPR while popcorn, still failed at overall entertainment. I didn't walk out talking about them like I did other popcorn flicks. I just walked. They did the same justice to AVP that was given to Freddy VS Jason.

I dunno, I'm not sure that I can ever agree that Aliens, Predator or Terminator are so different from Freddy, Jason or the Mike Meyers with the exception that the former are Sci Fi and the latter are fantasy.

I think the argument is moreso which films are BETTER. Aliens, Terminator and Predator are better films than was Elm Street or Firday the 13th (maybe not necessarily Halloween. AVP was a worse movie than Alien or Predator, but I think it was better (more enjoyable) than was Predator 2. It CERTAINLY played to the audience better than did Predator 2.

So all this is to say is that Aliens and T2 were probably the best popcorn movies ever made, but at thier core they were still popcorn movies -- they were still architypical characters with, essentially, very basic elements to their stories -- with the exception of some visual effects stuff. Things like Dark City and Darko speak to complex themes not represented in any of the Alien, Predator or Terminator films (though I think T2 did attempt to reach for some deeper subject matter, whether it succeeded or not).

Bottom line, the list from best to worst IMO is:

Alien
Aliens
Terminator 2
Terminator
Predator
Terminator Salvation
Alien 3
Alien 4
Terminator 3 (watching it while I'm writing this actually)
AVP
Predator 2
AVPR


Man...this would be just the most awesome movie watching weekend ever...

I've done the Quadrilogy, Predator and AVP movies in a weekend. Maybe I'll do the same thing with the 4 Terminators and Robocops. Hoof!

;)
 
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