Airline group suggests smaller carry-on bags.
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Thomas Smet
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Honestly I'm not as opposed to this as I once was. I recently had a business trip in Germany and one of the flights on the way home was full and every single person had to cram in as big of a carry on bag as they possibly could. I had my laptop bag and a small camera bag with me and had a hard time finding a place for my bag because people crammed their behemoth bags anywhere they could find a spot.
The carryon size should be limited to a size that assumes every person will have a bag. This just creates a fair system for everybody. I would also like to see assigned bag spots above the seats so people don't have to try to find another spot and delay the boarding process.
The carryon size should be limited to a size that assumes every person will have a bag. This just creates a fair system for everybody. I would also like to see assigned bag spots above the seats so people don't have to try to find another spot and delay the boarding process.
Curtis Mack
Active member
The problem is deregulation. The airlines are under tremendous price pressure just to stay alive. Air travel has become a utility, which should never be exposed to an open market. Before deregulation, there were a lot more airlines, and they competed on service, not price. Air travel then was , if not comfortable, not the complete karma black hole that it is now. Of course, it cost more then. Since we are obsessed with cheap, cheap skimpy service is what we get, with ever-increasing levels of hassle and discomfort.
Why don't you fly private then?
Thomas Smet
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TheTrickster
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and I only used my TTP Airport Security V2 on 6 flights so far.... GRRR
David W. Jones
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Exactly what I need to know as I plan a trip to Amsterdam. 
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rogar-Smoke(DBG):Maybe they should charge for carryons and give you checked bags for free?
The airlines created the overhead bin shortage when they decided it was a good idea to charge for checked baggage yet leave carryons free (for most airlines). Considering overhead space is in VASTLY shorter supply than cargo hold space, economics (and common sense) would tell you it should be the other way around.
I've flown Southwest for the last several flights and while the overhead bins do get full, it's not NEARLY as bad as on other airlines. Southwest also gives you two free checked bags... coincidence? I think not.
The airlines created the overhead bin shortage when they decided it was a good idea to charge for checked baggage yet leave carryons free (for most airlines). Considering overhead space is in VASTLY shorter supply than cargo hold space, economics (and common sense) would tell you it should be the other way around.
I've flown Southwest for the last several flights and while the overhead bins do get full, it's not NEARLY as bad as on other airlines. Southwest also gives you two free checked bags... coincidence? I think not.
Run&Gun
Veteran
The airlines themselves caused this problem. It's two-fold: the airlines charging for checked bags and overcrowded flights. I remember flying in the late 90's and early 00's and it was NEVER a problem. Hardly anyone had carry-on's, at least not like now. I haven't flown with my camera as a carry-on since 2012. If you live here in the U.S. and are shooting here and have the extra gear and time FedEx Ground is the way to go. Inexpensive, they'll deliver it right to your hotel and you don't have the stress and PITA of dealing with it at the airport and on the plane. In 2013 and '14 I did not step foot onto a plane with anything other than my personal backpack that fit under the seat. I'm not one of the @@$holes that puts their bag in the overhead when it will fit under the seat(unless flying bulkhead).
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Actually, there are small airlines that are sort of a cross between purely private and charter. They fly 4-8 seat inexpensive jets such an Eclipse (once sold for under $3M) or the new Honda 420 (not yet out but runs about $4M) and make medium range trips of under 1,000 miles usually at/under ~ 400 MPH. Most people think of LearJet, Gulfstream, Bombardier and alike when it comes to private aviation and those occupy the high end sector (though, they do sell time shares), with luxury accommodations and very high price tags.
*I would stay away from An-2, however.
FWIW, that industry predicting record profits.
I think porta brace etc are lobbying for this
But whatever the size, I like this from above:
"The carryon size should be limited to a size that assumes every person will have a bag. This just creates a fair system for everybody. I would also like to see assigned bag spots above the seats so people don't have to try to find another spot and delay the boarding process."
And..if you don't plan on using one, register it as available when purchasing ticket and if someone wants it, they can pay extra to use it and your fare goes down. This concept isn't entirely new. It's a minor variation on the reduced fares that at least used to be available for those who flew as "air couriers"..giving up some or all of checked bag space for significantly reduced fare...
I think porta brace etc are lobbying for this
But whatever the size, I like this from above:
"The carryon size should be limited to a size that assumes every person will have a bag. This just creates a fair system for everybody. I would also like to see assigned bag spots above the seats so people don't have to try to find another spot and delay the boarding process."
And..if you don't plan on using one, register it as available when purchasing ticket and if someone wants it, they can pay extra to use it and your fare goes down. This concept isn't entirely new. It's a minor variation on the reduced fares that at least used to be available for those who flew as "air couriers"..giving up some or all of checked bag space for significantly reduced fare...
William_Robinette
Shallow Member
Ticket prices have fallen about 50% since deregulation.
Imagine if a round trip ticket from NY to LA was $1,500. And it was the law.
ZazaCast
Major Contributor
...I'll take your word on that one...but you have to remember, I started flying back in the 70's. You could still smoke on the plane, there were bars, you could bring just about anything on the plane with you, if there was a better seat...you could just take it, bags were free to check and there was plenty of overhead space available, drinks & snacks were free, food was always served, you could also visit the cockpit! The good old days of commercial flight! I miss them.
Bern Caughey
Veteran
Most of my work involves air travel, much of it international. These days the norm is to hit the ground running so I carry-on at least a basic camera package. These regulations will make it very hard to continue doing so for anyone who shoots on cameras larger then dSLRs.
Checking bags is a crapshoot at best. Lots of camera gear is stolen, broken, or simple shipped to the wrong destination. First, & Buisness, Class tickets wil not ensure oversize, or overweight, bags are allowed onboard.
The airlines have created a total mess by charging for checked bags but not carry-on. Security lines are much longer due to all the carry-ons, while boarding/de-boarding takes longer too. Since the trend seems to be moving towards airlines charging for everything I hope carry-ons is next, & that the they allow us to pay extra to get our larger bags onboard.
Checking bags is a crapshoot at best. Lots of camera gear is stolen, broken, or simple shipped to the wrong destination. First, & Buisness, Class tickets wil not ensure oversize, or overweight, bags are allowed onboard.
The airlines have created a total mess by charging for checked bags but not carry-on. Security lines are much longer due to all the carry-ons, while boarding/de-boarding takes longer too. Since the trend seems to be moving towards airlines charging for everything I hope carry-ons is next, & that the they allow us to pay extra to get our larger bags onboard.
I like to travel one of two ways. One, no carry on at all. Everything is in my suitcase. I don't have to carry a bag during layovers, put it on the plane, grab it out the bin, keep up with it while I"m catching a bite to eat, etc. It's a really relaxing way to travel not lugging around anything at all.
Two, everything in my carry on, no luggage. I can skip baggage claim which is awesome especially when there's a long delay waiting for baggage.
No carry on is a crap shoot though that you have to be willing to take because I have ended up at a long distance distance destination with no luggage because it didn't make my flight because of last minute changes. Showing up somewhere with absolutely nothing, not even one change of clothes, is a pain in the butt when your luggage doesn't arrive till several days later.
Ultimately the market will decide. If some airline can come up with an elegant solution that is cost effective, they will have a competitive advantage.
Two, everything in my carry on, no luggage. I can skip baggage claim which is awesome especially when there's a long delay waiting for baggage.
No carry on is a crap shoot though that you have to be willing to take because I have ended up at a long distance distance destination with no luggage because it didn't make my flight because of last minute changes. Showing up somewhere with absolutely nothing, not even one change of clothes, is a pain in the butt when your luggage doesn't arrive till several days later.
Ultimately the market will decide. If some airline can come up with an elegant solution that is cost effective, they will have a competitive advantage.
David W. Jones
Veteran
I love it!
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