SergeSmArt
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at B&H - in October 2015 :
AG-DVX200 4K Large-Sensor Handheld Camcorder
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Wow, Is that $4195 all in? I've just looked at the current conversion on that to £, my jaw dropped.. $4195 = £2681. We have it listed here currently at a couple of sites for £4080 (inc VAT), which equates to $6382.
A good deal for the UK yet again.
/cries into my tea.
A good deal for the UK yet again.
/cries into my tea.
diegocervo
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better flying to NY and go shopping there
the XC10 could be 1/3 the price and i still wouldn't buy it. its limited in so many ways and also uses much more expensive media. XC10... slower lens (2/3 less fast), no servo zoom, no real EVF in fact a very akward implementation of the loupe on the existing LCD, less zoom range, smaller sensor, no 60fps @ 4k, no full 4k only UHD, a much smaller LCD with much less resolution, etc etc...plus it looks like a toy.
even though the XC10 technically has a better codec its image does not impress me in the least.
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LoganMackay
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I really wish the Canadian dollar wasn't in such awful shape 
True North
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I really wish the Canadian dollar wasn't in such awful shape
Agreed...I am guessing it should go for $4999.00 in Canada
I'd love to upgrade to one! But any upgrade is beyond my budget right now.
Just in money conversion that works out at just under $5700 here.
A few month's ago I was able to get the HC-X1000 for $3400AU with an extended 4 year warranty, from a commercial retailer like B&H (but isn't into "pro video"), because it's not a Pro Video Camera. That still works out at way less than the US price on conversion without the warranty.
Another PC upgrade will take priority for me first (definitely want to upgrade to a 4k monitor!).
Just in money conversion that works out at just under $5700 here.
A few month's ago I was able to get the HC-X1000 for $3400AU with an extended 4 year warranty, from a commercial retailer like B&H (but isn't into "pro video"), because it's not a Pro Video Camera. That still works out at way less than the US price on conversion without the warranty.
Another PC upgrade will take priority for me first (definitely want to upgrade to a 4k monitor!).
thefluentone
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I've tried keeping up with most of the thread, but not sure if I may have missed in discussion, Ken1212 mentions the difference in f stops from wide to tight in the lens. I was wondering, Barry is there some type of exposure lock? or should people set the f-stops to say the far end of the lens if the know they are gong to be zooming possible wide to tight in a single shot. I primarily do events and wedding and mix my old HMC40 with DSLRs. To me, the dvx200 is a great blend of the two, large sensor for better low light and bokeh, proper video camera format with a fixed zoom lens for easy single user control. I'lll just say its exhausting doing a single shooter wedding with multiple cameras... LOL.
Barry_Green
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You have absolute control over every aspect of exposure. You also can delegate which tasks you want to keep manual, and which you want to have auto. But in reference to your question, yes, to avoid exposure changes, you'd manually set the iris to a fixed position and (assuming that the tele range can support that iris) the exposure will stay constant throughout the zoom.
In many ways it is exactly that, the shallow DOF of a DSLR with the functionality, connectivity, and usability of a pro video camera. But in one big way (pun intended) it's not like either the HMC40 or the DSLR, and that's in the physical size. It isn't a small camera like the HMC40, it's a substantial package, about the same size as an AC160 or HPX250.
philiplipetz
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We generate more footage than we can edit, about 45 hours of footage per weekend shoot, almost always with three camera setups. Our dream has been a relatively high DR-ISO camera with a baked in look that we could optimize for quick turn around. Cine V is 11 stops (before you complain compare that to what the original RED delivered as it was used for feature films) and it seems as if we could use the complete color control offered by the DVX200 to create a baked in look that reduced or eliminated the need for sophisticated color correction in post. Perhaps sets of looks for different conditions. At least that seems to be what Barry is hinting at.
So, Barry is the the built-in control over every aspect of the color that strong, and how many looks can we store in camera? How are they accessed? Is there backup and sharing of looks via SD cards? Can we create looks that also control shutter and iris? How many looks can be loaded at once? Can we set buttons for looks, that would be great as some cams swing between extreme but constant conditions?
In any ways our needs are similar to a news organization that covers extended events to capture a few critical moments and then has to deliver edited footage with quick turn around. Even manually going thorough the footage to find the best parts is extremely time consuming. Is there some way to mark the good parts as we shoot, and then go to them for editing? If this exists is there any way to do this retrospectively, or is it just as it unfolds?
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Spartacus
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I think many will do exactly that, if Canon Europe tries to pull off some "street vendor" conversion rate for the EU.
BUT Panny is reliable when it comes to bang for buck, so I guess it will be around 4500€ (plus VAT, which will make it too expensive
for the ambitious hobbyist crowd though).
It would be as expensive as a C100MII with the 24-105 and even though different in so many ways, I think especially those two will be competing for buyers.
demoboy
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For Full HD I think the C100 MK II is the BEST affordable camera in the market with that baked in aesthetically-nice optical look. I mean at 20,000 ISO in pitch black this camera delivers the best of goods at 24Mbps.
joe 1008
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Some "new" footage:
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philiplipetz
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We had a set of C100s (bought them from Jim Martin who gave us superior service) and sold them as they did not meet our needs. Wide DR always required grading, more than reapplying on LUT,especially in shadows. Baked in looks were too still oriented with narrow DR and saturated colors. They are great cameras but not really set up for run and gun. Still lenses do not respond smoothly to focus changes (focus throw is too short so hard to do on the run) so we loose some grab shots, and require changing too often resulting in lost shots. I may be not as skillful as some but I lost about 25% of shots in rapidly changing conditions, whereas when I shot with XF Canons, or any good all in one, I loose less than 5%.
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demoboy
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AGAIN, THIS IS NOT THE DVX-200! This is a shameful posting and it REALLY bothers me. The way it handles the blacks with noise throughout various scenes shows it is a toss up and that individual is just trying to get views. Look at 01:18 on the tilt down from the building. There's no WAY in hell that Leica 4K lens has chromatic aberration, and with the noise smearing throughout that reflected picture.
Barry_Green
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That is what this camera does.
Small correction; "FILMLIKE 3" is 11 stops. I don't know what Cine V delivers yet.
Yes, exactly.
Yes, exactly.
Well, yes. It's much stronger than any prior Panasonic handheld.
There are six preset positions that you can save in-camera. And you can store eight packages of preset looks onto an SD card, so you would have pretty quick access to 48 potential different looks.
Touch the touchscreen, and a row of buttons appear across the top of the screen labeled "SCN1", "SCN2" ... "SCN6". Touch one of those buttons and the look is applied instantly. And you can even change the looks during a recording.
Yes, up to 8 packages of 6 looks each can be stored on an SD card and shared between cameras.
No. Well, I mean, the answer is basically no, but there are a couple of little things you can do. You can store the Syncro Scan shutter speed in the scene file, so -- as long as the camera is manually set to the Syncro Scan shutter, then yes, the scene file can change the shutter speed. You just have to manually ensure that the camera is set to Syncro Scan in order for that aspect to work. So ... I guess the answer for shutter is a qualified "yes".
On iris, the answer is pretty much no, but there is a little bit of control in that you can set the auto-iris compensation level. If you're using auto-iris, the scene file can store your preference for over/under-exposure. If you want to establish a look where everything is consistently overexposed by half a stop, you can do that -- so long as you're using auto-exposure. In manual exposure, the scene file has no control at all. In auto-exposure, you can instruct the camera to always over- or under-expose by a pre-set amount.
Six in-camera at a time.
You can't assign a physical button to the looks, but you access them almost as easily, by using the touchscreen and touching a "virtual" button.
I haven't encountered any sort of in-camera marking or editing features. I know you can copy clips from one card to the other, but that's all I've found so far.
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thefluentone
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Thanks so much for the info Barry, I'm pretty sure I will be getting one this fall.