Brandon Rice
Distributed Producer
snodart said:
Great BTS!
And yeah, the look is great! Reminds me of an Andy Griffith type feel with the costumes and such.
AFTER CLASS - snodart & Tim Young
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Great BTS!
And yeah, the look is great! Reminds me of an Andy Griffith type feel with the costumes and such.
Tim Young
Active member
our mic is an oktava mc-012 with a hypercardioid capsule. i bought it a long time ago (close to 10 years) to use to record acoustic guitar. it's a great mic. when we started making shorts we used it just because i had it, but when we started to come to dvxuser i was surprised to see that a lot of people were using it for sound with the dvx. it's a great value, and comparable to mics that are much more expensive. i paid only $50 for it at guitar center. i think they're still available at guitar center, but the problem with buying them there is that oktava apparently has poor quality control, and you can get a dud. i had read about this when i bought mine, so i bought three of them, brought them home and tested them, chose one, and took the other 2 back. in reality though they all sounded good. there's a place online called the sound room that tests all of their oktava mics before selling them. they're oktava specialists and most people recommend that you buy from them instead of guitar center. i guess it matters how much of a risk you're willing to take. the mics at the sound room are $173, so they're still really cheap compared to other good hypercardiod mics. if i bought another one i would buy from the sound room. the only issue with the oktava is that it's very sensitive to movement, so it needs a really good suspension system. i use a 20mm k-tek ksm shock mount (the kssm is shorter and is what most people use with the oktava, but i wanted the longer shock mount for when we buy a shotgun mic) with soft rubber bands, a k-tek internally wired boom pole, and a rycote baby ball gag windscreen. i either bought this stuff at trew audio or b&h photo - i can't remember. the suspension system really is key for this mic to sound good. i think that's the case with any hypercardioid or shotgun mic. but anyway if my math is right i think i ended up paying about $500 for this setup (it would be a little over $600 if you bought the mic from the sound room), which is a good price for a nice hypercardiod with a boom and suspension system. another thing to mention is that it requires phantom power, which the dvx has.
Tim Young
Active member
Timur and Mark, i too just checked out your thread, and those are some great looking caps. Timur, I noticed your lens kit. we just put together a small Canon FD lens kit. not as extensive as yours, but some similarities:
Canon FDn 35mm F2.0
Canon FDn 50mm F 1.4
Canon FDn 100mm F2.0
we mostly used the 50mm on after class, because we didn't get the other lenses in time, but we did some tests recently and are excited about the kit. seems like they're a great deal for the price, and a good match for a 35mm adapter.
Canon FDn 35mm F2.0
Canon FDn 50mm F 1.4
Canon FDn 100mm F2.0
we mostly used the 50mm on after class, because we didn't get the other lenses in time, but we did some tests recently and are excited about the kit. seems like they're a great deal for the price, and a good match for a 35mm adapter.
jeremytuttle
Well-known member
What kind of jib/crane are you using? Do you like how it works?
Robert Eldon
Well-known member
Great location! It has a great 'feel' for the time period you're trying to convey.
Love the color grading. And the poster, does it indicate the mood of the film? Very nice.
I'm looking forward to seeing this.
Love the color grading. And the poster, does it indicate the mood of the film? Very nice.
I'm looking forward to seeing this.
the 35mm F2.0 is one o the best lenses canon made. its bokeh is outright gorgeous. it looks like Zeiss Masterprimes. perect out of focus circles, but with hard edges like discs. ITS amazing.
Robert Eldon
Well-known member
Tim Young said:
Tim,
Thank you for the informative audio set up for your shoot.
How did you like the sound using the Octava? Did you 'bracket' the audio?
And do you find that you need the Rycote BBG for indoors? We use the Octava as well, and find it to be very good, but I have not yet invested in the BBG.
Thanks,
RobertE
snodart
Veteran
The jib is a DIY job. You can check out some of the details on this page of my website:jeremytuttle said:
http://snodart.com/hbe_jib.php
It took about 4 months of research, trial and error, and actual building to get it done. In the end though, it works like a champ and we use it a ton.
I also built a heafty tripod for the jib:
http://snodart.com/hbe_tripod.php
I have some more work to do on the Snod35 and then next on the list is a DIY steadicam (from Cody Deegan's plans).
Tim will give you the details, but I can say that when we first got the shock mount, BBG, and windscreen we took it for a test run. We held it out the window of my van to see just how much wind noise there would be. We made it to around 30MPH before hearing any, and the audio quality was still great.RobertE said:
That's good to hear. We haven't had a chance to use it much yet. Tim did a good job of researching lenses before we started buying. You have to love the internet for that!TimurCivan said:
Robert Eldon
Well-known member
Ha! I can only imagine what that looked like as the van is going down the street with a boom pole and mic/BBG hanging out the window!
Larry Rutledge
Fest Master
snodart said:
I followed the link expecting to see this called the "Snodpod"
Just kidding. Pretty impressive, the different pieces you've built (35adapter, jib, tripod, etc). Anxious to see how they much they add to the production value of your film.
Tim Young
Active member
RobertE said:
we've been really happy with the Oktava so far. admittedly, i don't have much experience with other mics, but i can't imagine another mic coming close to it for the price. again, i think using a good boom and suspension system are key. we're still gaining sound experience as far as technique goes, but for where we're at technically and what we're using it for, we're definitely happy with it.
i do bracket the audio levels. i set both audio channels on the dvx to the same input, with the level of one a bit lower than the other. it's nice that the dvx lets you do this - if i remember right, with our previous camera, i had to use a splitter. anyway, doing this allows me to choose which channel to use in post-production. if the hotter channel overloads, i delete it and use the channel with the lower level setting. this has worked well so far. it allows us to get a decent level for quieter stuff but still have usable audio for the louder stuff. we're not yet at the level of having an outboard mixer and dedicated crew member to "ride the fader" to allow for max recording level without overloading. an outboard mixer would also improve sound quality by using its preamp (assuming it's a good mixer with a quality preamp), and inputting at line level into the dvx, bypassing the dvx's preamp. but like i said, we're not there yet, and the dvx seems to have really good preamps for a miniDV camera.
i don't think the BBG is necessary indoors. we've used it indoors mainly because i've forgotten to try taking it off. theoretically though, if you're indoors where the air is still, and you're not micing directly in front of the actor where you'd worry about breath creating wind noise, it's probably not needed, and you might be better off without it. one of the sound pros can correct me if that's wrong. i'm not sure if they tend to use windscreens indoors or not. of course the shock mount is still needed when shooting indoors.
i should also mention that we have the BBG windjammer, which is the fuzzy thing that covers the BBG. we use that outside, and we used it for the 30mph wind test justin's talking about.
ive heard the DVX/HVX preamp is Very good. minimal distortion.
snodart
Veteran
Thanks spidey. I can only take half of the credit though, since Tim is the other creative half.spidey said:
No anamorphic adapter. Just a Canon FD lens and a lens hood. By "rig" do you mean the adapter set-up?
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Not a bad idea, "Snodpod". :happy:Larry R said:I followed the link expecting to see this called the "Snodpod"
Thanks Rebecca. Can't wait to see your TWO entries.RebeccaD said:
snodart
Veteran
Hey, thanks. I was checking out the thread for your entry last night. Great DIY stuff going on over there. I will be getting some more details for the "Mobile Film Unit"! That dolly set-up has given me some ideas too...:happy:jontuttle said:
Thanks for the new comments everyone!
