AF100 / AF101 - initial report

maybe ya missed the question, no worries. but, barry, or anyone who knows this; will panasonic offer their own adapter for the camera, say f mount. or which brands would one use?

thanks!

dan
 
Other than speculating that the ISO rating of this camera is 400, I haven't really found any discussion of the potential low light performance.

Anyone? Barry?

Won't that remain a major advantage of the DSLRs?
 
Mirezzi said:
Other than speculating that the ISO rating of this camera is 400, I haven't really found any discussion of the potential low light performance.

Anyone? Barry?

Won't that remain a major advantage of the DSLRs?
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Why? The AF100/101 is basically a DSLR sensor in a video camera body. It should be the same in lowlight performance as the GH1/GH2 (with newer sensor).
 
GRENCH said:
Okay everyone. Just to clarify. I have a set of Zeiss ZF lenses. So on the AF-100 my 18mm will become a 36mm, 35mm will become 70mm, my 50mm will become 100mm, and my 85mm will now become 170mm. Is this correct?
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No. Your 100mm will be a 100mm. Your 18mm will be an 18mm. But the field of view will not be as wide on a cinema camera as it will be on a full frame camera.

So if this is true I would need an extremely wide lens like a 7mm to 8mm to achieve 14 to 16mm? I currently own a 10mm lens but and looking for something wider for use with the AF-100.
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If you want to match the same field of view on the AF100 as you get on a "full frame" camera, then yes, you would need to use a lens with half the focal length. Panasonic makes a 7-14mm zoom, and an 8mm fisheye, and I'm sure there are others out there as well (or will be).

Oh yeah, Also can anyone tell me due to the crop factor on the 7D what my Zeiss lenses measures are changed to? Really appreciate it.
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They're not "changed" to anything. They are exactly what they are. But the camera's smaller sensor will see less of the image.
 
Ben_B said:
For the love of god somebody sneak an SDHC card into the prototype camera on the floor and then get it out of there and lets see the damn footage!!!
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Sure ticket to disappointment. Trade show floor footage has never been worth anything. And trade show floor footage from a 70% prototype -- what's the point? It won't look 1/10th as good as "Dispatch", so as soon as someone does what you ask, we'll have three months of shrieking and complaining.

With that said, I'm sure someone will do it. Counterproductive, but it'll happen.

I asked them to consider releasing the actor/play footage that they shot in Frankfurt, and if they release that, it'll at least be more representative of what you can get from a 70% prototype in more filmic-style conditions.
 
danielc said:
maybe ya missed the question, no worries. but, barry, or anyone who knows this; will panasonic offer their own adapter for the camera, say f mount. or which brands would one use?

thanks!

dan
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Panasonic won't likely be making any adapters themselves, there are already probably a dozen on the market. I've heard the CameraQuest adapters spoken very highly of, and for PL mount the Hot Rod is said to be the best.

But -- just wait. What you will really want is an electronic adapter that translates the camera's 4/3 protocol into the lens's F-mount protocol. And that's coming. Should be on the market before the camera is, so -- revisit the question when it's closer to buying time and see what the options are at that time.
 
Sorry if this has been covered in this thread already, though I don't remember see it anywhere, but is there any word on vari-speed recording? i.e. going from 24fps to 60fps in the same take?
 
thanks barry! bummer if panasonic doesnt. so to clarify i will be looking for a lumix mount to f mount adapter?

dan
 
bwhitz said:
Sorry if this has been covered in this thread already, though I don't remember see it anywhere, but is there any word on vari-speed recording? i.e. going from 24fps to 60fps in the same take?
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Not possible. It works the same way as the HVX200, HPX170, HPX370, and HPX500 in that regard. No ramping during a take.
 
Barry_Green said:
No. Your 100mm will be a 100mm. Your 18mm will be an 18mm. But the field of view will not be as wide on a cinema camera as it will be on a full frame camera.


If you want to match the same field of view on the AF100 as you get on a "full frame" camera, then yes, you would need to use a lens with half the focal length. Panasonic makes a 7-14mm zoom, and an 8mm fisheye, and I'm sure there are others out there as well (or will be).


They're not "changed" to anything. They are exactly what they are. But the camera's smaller sensor will see less of the image.
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Thanks Barry. That was exactly what I needed to hear. :thumbsup:
 
Vitaliy Kiselev said:
Do you know any reason for this?
I know about AVCHD standards problems.
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This question was in reference to why the 1080/60fps doesn't record at 1080/60fps, but only in slow-mo overcranking...

I asked and was told that this camera is a professional AVCCAM product, and as such, it is going to comply with the AVCCAM and broadcast standards. 1080/60p is not a standardized broadcast format yet. Because it is not standardized, they don't offer a way to record it.

However, I've been thinking about this and -- I mean, technically, it's the same thing -- if you record 1080/30p @ 60fps, and play it back at 200% speed, you'll have 1080/60p recordings played back at 60fps. The "live" 1080/60p look! Hah. :thumbsup:
 
Barry, do you know if the 1080p 60p modes will work at all with external recorders like the KiPro Mini? I'm guessing not.

Either way, does anything even come out the HDMI/SDI ports while shooting 60p? If not, how do we monitor it?
 
Barry_Green said:
Sure ticket to disappointment. Trade show floor footage has never been worth anything. And trade show floor footage from a 70% prototype -- what's the point? It won't look 1/10th as good as "Dispatch", so as soon as someone does what you ask, we'll have three months of shrieking and complaining.

With that said, I'm sure someone will do it. Counterproductive, but it'll happen.

I asked them to consider releasing the actor/play footage that they shot in Frankfurt, and if they release that, it'll at least be more representative of what you can get from a 70% prototype in more filmic-style conditions.
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Exactly. This thread is already 20 pages in one day. The last thing we need is sub-par footage from a prototype camera to get everyone up in arms. It'd be out of control...

P.S. I love how Barry keeps getting referred to as "DVX user Barry Green" in these articles. I think we need to make him a t-shirt.
 
agcohn said:
If the sensor can't do standard 1080/60p, I'm not sure how it can do 1080/24p @ 60 fps VFR, unless it's some sort of burst mode that it can't keep up for long.

Can we confirm that it isn't just uprezzing the 720p VFR modes for 1080p?
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Follow-up on this question -- I asked and have been confirmed that it is NOT doing any sort of up-rez of 720p. The 1080/60p VFR is indeed full-frame-rate, full-resolution video.

The limitation is in recording it, because there is no standardized 1080/60p broadcast recording standard yet. But, as pointed out, you could record 1080/60p and use it as 1080/60p, by recording 1080/30p-at-60fps footage, putting it into a 1080/60p timeline, and playing it back at 200% (frame-for-frame) speed. You'll get the exact same thing, 60 individual frames being imaged, and 60 individaul frames being played back, per second.
 
Barry_Green said:
Um, I don't know about that. It's "about" 5,000 Euros, but I don't know that the US version will be 5,000 dollars! 5,000 Euros is about 6,000 US dollars (give or take) and they've always said "under $6,000". But I will ask.
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Okay, a follow-up on this -- I asked Jan about this, and she confirmed for me that there has been no announcement yet about final US pricing. She said that the official statement is still "under $6,000". She suggested that perhaps the person she spoke to (who reported $5,000) may have misunderstood her, or perhaps she crossed her Euros with her Dollars (i.e., she meant to say 5,000 Euros but instead said 5,000 Dollars).

So - no official announcement about US pricing yet. It will be announced when the camera is launched in the US. Since this is the European launch, that's why European pricing was revealed.
 
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