AF100 / AF101 - initial report

[Barry_Green]

Barry, do you know if the 1080p 60p modes will work at all with external recorders like the KiPro Mini? I'm guessing not.

Either way, does anything even come out the HDMI/SDI ports while shooting 60p? If not, how do we monitor it?

Well, see, you've exactly hit the nail on the head. There is no broadcast standard for 1080/60p yet, afaik. This is a broadcast camera. It has to comply to the standard. There isn't one, so it doesn't do it.

So what gets output? Frankly, I don't know -- but I would suspect that it would embed higher-frame-rate progressive footage within a 1080/60i data stream.

As such, I don't think an external recorder would be able to record faster-than-30fps 1080p.

 

[Barry_Green]

And when will that be?

Soon. Jan would have to say exactly when.

 

[timbook2]

Panasonic makes a 7-14mm zoom ? I didnt know....just looked its f1:4 :-(

 

[powervideo]

Hey powervideo,

Is this what your talking about when you speak of strobing? Here is a video I shot directed that ended up giving me a weird strobe effect but I actually liked for this video so I kept it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5mpJ3eonYo

Nice clip. No that almost looks like you had a high shutter on that clip. It's not nearly as noticable with web video. It's on studio CRT's and studio LCDs/plasmas where I notice it. It's just not as smooth as 2/3" camera progressive. Perhaps it is more to do with CCD and global shutters. It's more noticable with slowish pans than rapid camera action. I just work around the issue.

 

[Stephen Mick]

Panasonic makes a 7-14mm zoom ? I didnt know....just looked its f1:4 :-(

f4

And personally, I don't think it's worth the money. I had it, used it and sold it.

 

[Barry_Green]

Panasonic makes a 7-14mm zoom ? I didnt know....just looked its f1:4 :-(

http://www.dpreview.com/lensreviews/panasonic_7-14_4_o20/

 

[timbook2]

yup saw it :-(

but (at) almost half the price ...will this fit without adapter and full electric contacts?

OLYMPUS OBJEKTIV M.ZUIKO DIGITAL ED 9 - 18 MM F/4.0-5.6

btw: I love this GH1 compatibility! I spent money on glass and can use it on both.....

 

[powervideo]

Panasonic won't likely be making any adapters themselves, there are already probably a dozen on the market. I've heard the CameraQuest adapters spoken very highly of, and for PL mount the Hot Rod is said to be the best.

I've got two of the Camerquest M4/3 to C/Y adaptors for my GH1's and they are very solid.

 

[Barry_Green]

yup saw it :-(

but (at) almost half the price ...will this fit without adapter and full electric contacts?

OLYMPUS OBJEKTIV M.ZUIKO DIGITAL ED 9 - 18 MM F/4.0-5.6

btw: I love this GH1 compatibility! I spent money on glass and can use it on both.....

Yes that will fit directly. It's less expensive, but it's also much less wide - 9mm vs. 7mm, and I thought your request was for wide, hence the 7-14. Plus the Olympus isn't a constant aperture, it's f/5.6 when zoomed in, vs. the Panasonic's f/4 at wide and tele. I don't know about autofocus on the Olympus, but on the DPReview site they said the autofocus on the 7-14 was pretty much silent, so that sounds promising.

So it's wider and perhaps more video-AF-appropriate, but a lot more expensive than the Olympus.

 

[Barry_Green]

This looks like a useful chart. Don't know how up to date it is.

http://www.four-thirds.org/en/microft/lens_chart.html

 

[danielc]

thanks for the link barry. they look like great adapters, and what i was worried about was taking it off and on. these can be kept on and look solid(almost like my f mount on my redrock). though i was wondering if my FOV will be altered drastically cause the back of the lens will be so far away from the sensor (the f mount look a good 1/4 inch or more wide).

 

[Barry_Green]

Here's another chart -- this one is for Four Thirds lenses, not Micro Four Thirds. So you'd need an adapter, but they do make an electronically-controlled adapter, so ... effectively it'll be the same thing.

http://www.four-thirds.org/en/fourthirds/lens_chart.html

On this chart they're showing an Olympus 7-14 with a constant f/4.0 aperture. Don't know anything about it, but you might be interested in checking it out.

 

[Jarek Zabczynski]

Well, see, you've exactly hit the nail on the head. There is no broadcast standard for 1080/60p yet, afaik. This is a broadcast camera. It has to comply to the standard. There isn't one, so it doesn't do it.

So what gets output? Frankly, I don't know -- but I would suspect that it would embed higher-frame-rate progressive footage within a 1080/60i data stream.

As such, I don't think an external recorder would be able to record faster-than-30fps 1080p.

What's stopping them from adding the 28mbs mode from the TM700?

 

[Barry_Green]

What's stopping them from adding the 28mbs mode from the TM700?

Ain't broadcast. That's a homebrew implementation from the consumer side. (trust me, I asked!) They don't want to put anything on it that isn't broadcast-standard, because this unit is being offered by the broadcast division.

 

[Jarek Zabczynski]

Ain't broadcast. That's a homebrew implementation from the consumer side. (trust me, I asked!) They don't want to put anything on it that isn't broadcast-standard, because this unit is being offered by the broadcast division.

I find it funny that they still call it a "Broadcast Camera" What does that even mean anymore? When I think "Broadcast Camera" I think of ENG. An ENG camera the AF-100 is not. It should not be bound of limited by "Broadcast Camera" standards. I don't see anything wrong with non standard "options."

Let start a "Set the AF-100 Free!" Campaign LOL!:2vrolijk_08:

 

[Retrospective]

I find it funny that they still call it a "Broadcast Camera" What does that even mean anymore? When I think "Broadcast Camera" I think of ENG. An ENG camera the AF-100 is not. It should not be bound of limited by "Broadcast Camera" standards. I don't see anything wrong with non standard "options."

Let start a "Set the AF-100 Free!" Campaign LOL!:2vrolijk_08:

I do agree with you there, they should accommodate the broadcast standards but also the filmmaking industry.

 

[NPrincen]

This looks like a useful chart. Don't know how up to date it is.

http://www.four-thirds.org/en/microft/lens_chart.html

Yes, this chart is up to date at the current time for the Olympus and Panasonic micro 4/3 lenses. Two new Olympus lenses have just been announced:

http://www.olympusamerica.com/cpg_section/product.asp?product=1522
http://www.olympusamerica.com/cpg_section/product.asp?product=1523


Other lenses with manual focus and aperture in micro 4/3 mount are:

http://noktor.com/products.php
http://www.cameraquest.com/voigt_m43.htm

But, later this month at Photokina, both Olympus and Panasonic are going to announce new lenses. I am personally waiting for the 100-300 Panasonic zoom for wildlife video.

Thanks, Barry, for the GREAT coverage today!!! You deserve a great time in Amsterdam!

 

[timbook2]

a propos broadcast: the shoulder cams are broadcast, ok.....if the bottom plates of these small ones would incorporate a slide out plate so one could rest it on the shoulder you can get that "broadcast" look/perspective with AF100 HVX DVX )) I hate these rigs they sell....to me the size and form factor of the JVC models is closest to "small and shoulder". And I do need the shoulder A LOT! the backpain from holding the HVX as if it was a shoulder cam............

 

[timbook2]

NEW Voigtlander M43 25/.95 Im drooling here )) thanks for the links Nprincen.
If I have to shoot with ISO 1600 with my pancake 20/2 how much ISO will I gain with .95?
I shoot a lot at night ...

 

[NPrincen]

Two f-stops from f2 to f.95. So, shooting ISO 400 at f.95 is the same as shooting ISO 1600 at f2. Of course the depth of field is much less at f.95 This lens won't be cheap though.