AF-101 'on the set': some pics

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Gary Senda

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Here are some pics taken on the set of the short movie we have shooted in Italy to test the AF-101 on the set. It was not a quality test: we have used the prototype. We have only tested the functionality of the camera on the set and it is fantastic.

Bye bye HDSLR

Gary
 

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Wil you tell us a little more about how you got your hands on a prototype and what your project is about?
Or are you just showing of here and try to make us hate you?:evil:
 
Spartacus said:
Wil you tell us a little more about how you got your hands on a prototype and what your project is about?
Or are you just showing of here and try to make us hate you?:evil:
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101 has been presented in Italy during a special event after IBC, so the protoype was in Italy for a while (36 hours9).
Someone (not me, but I was on the set) has shooted a short film and we have showed it the day of presentation. Panasonic gave us the permit to make this, but they asked us to show the short film only at the presentation (no web diffusion: this was mandatory and I can understand).

The camera is not finished yet and a lot of functions were grayed, so we have not tested the image quality but the functionality of the camera on the set. The most of the film was shooted by night (as you can see there were cameracar shooting also) and in internal location, with a few light (led panels or existing lights).

- the camera is sensitive (better if you have fast lenses)
- the video noise is very low (even at +12bB)
- it is very easy to use handhelded and you don't need those terrible HD-SLR rigs
- EVF and monitor are very good (better than on HPX370)
- the results with mechanical photo lenses are stunning, expecially if you use fast lenses
- we have tried in every mode to evocate aliasing and moire, but we were not able

This is a camera for shooting in HD-SLR style but using a true videocamera and saving a lot of time and money also (no separate audio, no sync in post productions, no complicated rigs, no external ND, no mattebox mandatory, no loupe and, first of all, no aliasing and no moirè). But you have scene files, gamma, master pedestal, timecode, uncompressed audio (already in sync) and all the other features of a videocamera that increase your productivity.

The dynamic range needs to be a little increased: for the moment 5d and 7d are a little better, in my opinion. But we have shooted in HD norm mode and it was not possible to change the gamma, so perhaps you can have a better dynamic range from the prototype camera.

I apologize for my broken english.

If you have further question you can ask, I will try to answer

Gary
 
Thanks for sharing !

How was the jellow / skew on the car shots ?

Is that a Tamron or Sigma lens in the third photo, 101 hand2.jpg ?

Were you able to work with just the gain , why not ISO ?

Thanks

Everts
 
Everts said:
Thanks for sharing !

How was the jellow / skew on the car shots ?

Is that a Tamron or Sigma lens in the third photo, 101 hand2.jpg ?

Were you able to work with just the gain , why not ISO ?
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- No visible yello or skew in cameracar shootings (we used wide angle lens)

- The lens in the hand held pic is a nikon mount ZEISS (I have tested cheap russian lenses also with similar results)

- ISO was blocked on 400 so the only way to increase senstivity was the gain dial

As you can see, pics were taken without flash and we were shooting with the same light (with better results, beacuse GH1 kit lens is very dark and on AF-101 we were using fast lenses)
 
Wow red flag: Dynamic Range is better on a Canon 5d 7d?

Canons test at about 8 stops give or take dynamic range. Barry tested AF100 at 10.5 stops. Either something is terribly wrong with the camera you have or something else fishy is going on as there's no way the Canon DSLR's should have better dynamic range than AF100
 
Homunculus said:
Wow red flag: Dynamic Range is better on a Canon 5d 7d?

Canons test at about 8 stops give or take dynamic range. Barry tested AF100 at 10.5 stops. Either something is terribly wrong with the camera you have or something else fishy is going on as there's no way the Canon DSLR's should have better dynamic range than AF100
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They weren't shooting in a cine gamma mode though which you kinda have to do to really get a good sense of dynamic range on a panasonic camera.
 
Gabrobot said:
They weren't shooting in a cine gamma mode though which you kinda have to do to really get a good sense of dynamic range on a panasonic camera.
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Just curious how do you know they weren't shooting in a certain mode as I don't see him mention that anywhere? Or were you present at the shoot?
 
From what I saw of menu videos on a German site, there will be a lot of gamma curve options on the finished unit, so I'd imagine that would perhaps alleviate (or help alleviate) any issues there.
 
Homunculus said:
Wow red flag: Dynamic Range is better on a Canon 5d 7d?
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1. gamma node was not available on our camera copy
2. DSR stretching was not available on our camera copy

I've written.: this was not a quality test and, at the moment, quality tests are not possible with a limited camera. This was just an attempt to use the camera on the set to test the functionality and it is much, much, much better than on HD-SRL
 
Lyris said:
From what I saw of menu videos on a German site, there will be a lot of gamma curve options on the finished unit, so I'd imagine that would perhaps alleviate (or help alleviate) any issues there.
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Yes, but we were not allowed to use them because it seems the software is not yet debugged and the camera could stop to work. There was a panasonic fellow with us and the only thing we were allowed to change in the menu was 'shoot without lens'.
 
Furthermore: I've written 'a little better' that is quite different from 'better'. Perhaps less than 1 stop of difference, but we have not measured it and the most of shoots were taken nightime.

So, if we measure it, perhaps I'm wrong and anyway the grayscale charter was very satisfactory
 
Gary Senda said:
1. gamma node was not available on our camera copy
2. DSR stretching was not available on our camera copy

I've written.: this was not a quality test and, at the moment, quality tests are not possible with a limited camera. This was just an attempt to use the camera on the set to test the functionality and it is much, much, much better than on HD-SRL
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I feel that no special mode ESPECIALLY DR stretching should be NEEDED for this camera for it just to have equal DR with a 1400$ DSLR. This is a 6000 Prosumer Broadcast Division product. It should not need a special fancy "mode" (which raises a lot of noise by the way) like DRS just to have equal DR with a 1400$ camera.
I know it's not finished yet so we'll see how the final product is but I'm just saying, those are worrying things if with DRS turned off (which should only be used sparingly anyway) it doesn't have higher DR than a 1400$ DSLR.
If that ends up being the case then count me in on the GH2 bandwagon and forget this over priced thing.
 
On the stouffer backlit chart the 7D measured 8.3 stops. On a DSC backlit chart the AF100 measured 10.5 stops.

There is no need to worry.
 
Homunculus said:
it doesn't have higher DR than a 1400$ DSLR.
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Deninitively, my eyes nightime are not a measurement instruments!

I've clearly written: test was on functionality and not on image. It is not possible to have a definitive idea of a prototype camera, expecially in our conditions and without measuring parameters.
 
Homunculus said:
I feel that no special mode ESPECIALLY DR stretching should be NEEDED for this camera for it just to have equal DR with a 1400$ DSLR. This is a 6000 Prosumer Broadcast Division product. It should not need a special fancy "mode" (which raises a lot of noise by the way) like DRS just to have equal DR with a 1400$ camera.
I know it's not finished yet so we'll see how the final product is but I'm just saying, those are worrying things if with DRS turned off (which should only be used sparingly anyway) it doesn't have higher DR than a 1400$ DSLR.
If that ends up being the case then count me in on the GH2 bandwagon and forget this over priced thing.
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And you are basing this on an unfinished prototype.

Way to jump the gun.
 
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