AF-100 Wishlist/Suggestion Discussion Thread
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Barry_Green
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There's a lot more to it than just whether there's bandwidth to support writing it. I'd rather have P2 for the robustness, the editability, and the error detection/correction. But given a choice of AVC-Intra on SDXC, or no AVC-Intra on SDXC, by all means I'd take AVC-Intra on SDXC!
It will help so incredibly more than the numbers would indicate. It will be devastatingly superior to the 17mbps of the GH1, and substantially superior to the 50mbps of the 7D. You can't compare raw numbers without knowing what those numbers mean, but I'd say that if you use 17mbps of the GH1 and 50mbps of the 7D, then the AF100's codec would perform more like 150mbps.
Barry_Green
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Not at all. P2 isn't a memory card, it's a microcomputer with a lot of memory attached, and the highest-quality zero-fault memory in existence, raided together to provide 1200mbps of bulletproof performance, which employs wear-leveling, data verification, and up to 24 streams of HD editing straight from the card.
I don't know if I can get over buying project-critical recording media at WalMart. Let's see... kitty litter, milk, 20 SDXC cards for TV series...
Barry_Green
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Preach it, brother. I'd infinitely rather have my AVC-I going to P2. I was just saying that if the decision is irrevocable that they're going to go with SDXC and not P2, then ... well, I still want my AVC-I!
shaocaholica
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So whats the $/GB for P2 these days? Market value, not MSRP.
Sandisk Extreme 32GB SDHC is about $6/GB.
Sandisk Extreme 32GB SDHC is about $6/GB.
Dino
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About $14/Gb for a 64Gb P2 E series card, using B&H Photo pricing.
Why not? Professional photographers have been staking their careers on compact flash cards for years.
Without much complaint, I might add.
AVC-Intra 100Mbps doesn't exactly represent the same bandwidth demand as even the highest bit single frame RAW format though?
ripupthehwy
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Is it DECEMBER yet???
While I can see Panasonic not going AVCintra on this camera, I really can't see why they cannot include dvcproHD. Its an outdated codec by Panasonic, already introduced in a sub 6K camera. Like most say, including Jan, this camera is in a class of its own, its not there to compete with the likes of HPX300 or 500 or the higher end cameras, its an affordable digital Cinema camera. Why not include a codec to help us on those FX shots for our cinema productions?
DVCPRO HD is 1280x1080 for NTSC, and 1440x1080 for Pal. Its not the best codec to get the full resolution of the sensor, but it could be used for those Blue Screen or effects heavy shots.
It would certainly be a feature I would very much love to see on the 100.
Another thing not discussed is, of course, Pal and NTSC switchable. THIS IS ESSENTIAL. We are no longer living on the pre-historic ages of yesteryears. Being able to get 720p 60 from my 7D, even with Aliasing, has been excelent for my work. Its a significant jump in slowmotion from 50. Also, its fantastic to be able to shoot 1080 24p in PAL in both 5D and 7D. Please include this. Another example I can give is that yesterday I was shooting a promotional video of a Museum where their screens were NTSC. I simply swithced the 5D from Pal to NTSC and the problem was solved. If I was with a Pal fixed camera, I would be in a lot of hassle.
I believe Panasonic saw already that including switchability didn't hurt their worldwide reseller sales numbers. If it did, its because some Panasonic resellers in certain parts of the world are Plain Incompetent and aren't able to provide the service and communication that Professionals need. Not complaining over here for Hong-Kong, they are excelent, but heard of terrible service in places like Portugal, Spain, etc.
DVCPRO HD is 1280x1080 for NTSC, and 1440x1080 for Pal. Its not the best codec to get the full resolution of the sensor, but it could be used for those Blue Screen or effects heavy shots.
It would certainly be a feature I would very much love to see on the 100.
Another thing not discussed is, of course, Pal and NTSC switchable. THIS IS ESSENTIAL. We are no longer living on the pre-historic ages of yesteryears. Being able to get 720p 60 from my 7D, even with Aliasing, has been excelent for my work. Its a significant jump in slowmotion from 50. Also, its fantastic to be able to shoot 1080 24p in PAL in both 5D and 7D. Please include this. Another example I can give is that yesterday I was shooting a promotional video of a Museum where their screens were NTSC. I simply swithced the 5D from Pal to NTSC and the problem was solved. If I was with a Pal fixed camera, I would be in a lot of hassle.
I believe Panasonic saw already that including switchability didn't hurt their worldwide reseller sales numbers. If it did, its because some Panasonic resellers in certain parts of the world are Plain Incompetent and aren't able to provide the service and communication that Professionals need. Not complaining over here for Hong-Kong, they are excelent, but heard of terrible service in places like Portugal, Spain, etc.
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Jason Adams
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That's because they have little choice. Also video is more sustained transfer. when was the last time your 7D overheated taking stills. P2 is the most bullet proof media ever created. Its what I miss most about shooting DSLR.
Okay, how about everyone who uses the Nanoflash and records 100 or 160 Mbps video to compact flash? Or all Red users who record 200+ Mbps to compact flash? In fact, compact flash is the most reliable recording media for Red cameras!
Yes, you do pay more for Red's CF cards, but not near as much as for P2 cards. And the Nanoflash, will work with (some) CF cards from Walmart. Open standards are good for us consumers.
Mike Harvey
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All true, but (and this is coming from someone with an HMC150 who has no desire to invest in P2 at the moment), if I was doing something like shooting for "Life" on Discovery, I'd rather be shooting on P2 than on consumer media from Wally-World. P2 is just going to take a heck of a lot more abuse than an SD or CF card. Plus, with a Red, chances are if the card craps out, you're shooting something that allows you just re-shoot the shot. Not really the case in the depths of an Amazon rainforest.
Mike Harvey
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Ben_B
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Backend, schmackend.
Good point, but there's not a single Panasonic CF compatible product that I know of currently in the market.
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