AF-100 Another DSLR $9,000 4:2:0 is a solution?

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always happened that because canon sell a thousands of 7d and 550d, Panasonic now
says ¨this time af-100 solved our problems¨ and what did they do.

A new camcorder that finally do depth of field, but what aspects have to pay to have those d.o.f
1 have to pay $10,000 camcorder with maybe two or three good lens, 8 times more than a dslr that do the same or less D.O.F, CMOS chip canon is more bigger
2. You may have minus color than a HPX 170 because this AF-100 is just like HDV 4:2:0 and 24 mgbs.
thats not good for a high quality film, music video, or even a comercial work.
3. I dont think indie filmakers want 4:2:0 for their own movies. and 24mgbs.
4. Panasonic bring new camera but the only thing that they have more for an HPX170 is D.O.F, but imagine a movie with D.O.F but without color, for this instance you cannot have to pay $10,000, Maybe to compete with he same circunstances that a 7D Panasonic has to do the same as sony Camcorder DSLR prices about 2,000 and 3,500, because have the same resolution, that finally is that our spectators will see, is fair for they?, or for Panasonic and his sales.

Is not fair for anybody.
 
1. Confirmed price is "under $6000." The lens mount can almost any lens ever made with adapters. Dof isn't everything, I want a cleaner image.

2. You can use the sdi to gain 8bit 422

3. See above.

4. I'm not very familiar with the 170, but the cameras are totally different models and have different uses overall.

Life isn't fair.
 
Good Lord :badputer:

How many times? How many times must it be said? This is NOT a DSLR, it isn't. Don't want it? Cool. Don't agree with it, cool, but this is getting... uhhhhhh.
 
Well, first of all, I don't know where you're getting your $10,000 price tag, because the MSRP has been confirmed to be $4,995.

Secondly, the AF100 is not a DSLR. If you'd like a list of things that the AF100 does, that a DSLR doesn't, here's a list:

THINGS THE AF100 DOES, THAT A CANON DSLR DOESN'T​
Clean monitoring at full 1920x1080 resolution, suitable for recording to an external recorder

Clean HDMI output at full resolution even during recording, suitable for recording

Professional HD-SDI output

1080/24pSf output

A composite video output jack

SMPTE timecode

LTC timecode synchronizing, for multiple-camera shoots or for using an external audio recorder or timecode slate

A headphone jack for monitoring audio

RCA audio outputs

Professional XLR audio inputs

Line/Mic selectable

Can supply phantom power for microphones

Manual audio level control with no AGC

Option of engaging an automatic limiter to prevent against sudden overmodulation

High-quality audio pre-amps

1080/60i and 1080/50i recording modes

Variable frame rates in 20 steps, from 1080/12p up to 1080/60p, for various levels of slow-motion and fast-motion

720/24p and 720/25p and 720/30p recording modes (in addition to 1080/24p, 1080/25p, 1080/30p, 720/50p, 720/60p, 1080/50i and 1080/60i)

P2/AVCCAM Metadata

Two card slots

Professional image controls

Filmlike Cinegamma gamma curves

Selectable color matrices

Adjustable knee point and master pedestal controls right in camera

Dynamic Range Stretching feature

Color-matched with other Panasonic professional cameras, such as the VariCams

Pre-record, for catching events occurring even before you press the record button

Continuous recording capacity of over 12 hours in economy mode, and continuous recording of six hours in best-quality mode on a single card (no 12-minute time limit!)

Complete freedom from overheating issues

Colored Focus Assist that can be used >while recording<

Capable of video-camera-like autofocus (when used with an appropriate lens)

Face-detection autofocus that can track focus on a moving face

Peaking/EVF DTL for easier manual focus

High-definition color LCD panel

High-definition color viewfinder

Viewfinder that can actually be used during video recording

Two sets of zebras, which can be set from anywhere from 50 to 105 IRE in 5-IRE steps

A built-in Waveform Monitor(!)

A built-in Vectorscope

A built-in Spotmeter (the "Marker" which tells you the IRE brightness of what's in the center of the screen)

Different aspect ratio markings in the LCD, including 16:9, 4:3, 14:9, 1.85:1 and 2.35:1

A 90% "safety zone" for making sure your framing will be visible on all TVs

Film-style variable shutter angles from 1 to 360 degrees, which track automatically with the variable frame rates to always provide consistent motion blur

Syncro-Scan shutter in video mode, giving you nearly infinitely-settable shutter speeds from 1/24.0 to 1/250.0

Built-in optical neutral density filters, including ND .6, ND 1.2, and ND 1.8

SMPTE color bar generator

Cleaner/sharper images with a substantial reduction in aliasing

Elimination of the purple/orange moire that happens on all Canon DSLRs

A much more robust recording format (AVCCAM PH mode) which is more resilient and better than the h.264 on the DSLRs

Elimination of the fixed pattern noise and "vertical streaking"

Greatly improved rolling shutter performance

Ability to assign index points within clips, so you can mark a subsection of a clip and easily jump from spot to spot within that clip

Ability to mark clips "Good" or "No Good" at the press of a button, and that marker will show up in your NLE (depending, of course, on your NLE)

Ability to delete the last clip you just shot, at a button press

Ability to assign custom user names to clips as they get recorded, automatically

Ability to save and exchange "scene files" with other users, for easy matching between multiple cameras

Ability to take any PL-mount lens (not just a few limited telephoto lenses, or having to physically remove the mirror out of your DSLR)

Ability to take c-mount cinema lenses

Ability to take much larger batteries, including 6000mah batteries

Wireless infrared remote controller

Remote iris/focus/start/stop controller sockets

Can perform a manual black balance, with a dedicated physical iris

Fully articulated LCD panel (only the Canon 60D offers this, the others don't)

And, to top it all off, a three-year warranty



If you feel like those features are important to you, then step up to the bar and buy an AF100. If you feel like you wouldn't use those features, then stay with a DSLR.

>and please note -- this is not meant to be some sort of feature-for-feature comparison. This is meant to be a list of new/added/additional capabilities that the AF100 has, that the Canon DSLRs don't have. That's it.<



But please, in the interest of accuracy, let's put an end to this idea of trying to make something into what it isn't. The AF100 isn't a DSLR, it's a professional video camcorder with a DSLR-sized sensor. If it's not for you, that's okay. There are still plenty of DSLRs on the market that you can choose from.
 
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I've said this before, but it's worth saying again:

The Perfect Video Camera does NOT exist.

Each video camera offers something that my be useful to one person and not be very useful to another. Because people's needs, wants, and tastes are different, there is no "One Size Fits All In Video Cameras". It's all about finding the best fit for your needs or your budget limits.

While the concept, "A lot of bang for the buck" is subjective, for many, I can safely say that the AF-100/101 appears to offer just that. If you glance at Berry's list, you can see that that the AF-100/101 is an exciting product.



Bob Diaz
 
Thank you Barry. If you don't want it, don't get it. Clearly you don't know what the things on Barry's list and therefore you don't need this camera, either.

...and "more bigger"? Really?
 
...all in all, this is a VIDEO CAMERA. Unlike a DSLR, it is not a photo camera with a video option.

(sorry for the double post).
 
I think pallllaaaaa is saying that by the time she buys good glass for the af100 her total cost would be about $10 grand. But whatever. To each his own. But I also think she should find somewhere else to go do her bitching.
 
The 5Dmk2 is also 8-bit color and being used quite successfully for commercials, music videos and episodic television production.
 
and you can get a ex3 for almost 10 grand... and get a smaller sensor, relatively same codec (long gop) use more expensive sxs cards (yes you can go sd route, but you can't do all your framerates) and be stuck with their 1/2 lenses. or spend an extra 5 grand on glass, 35 mm adapter, and possibly a b4 adpater. with the b4 it's another 5 grand to boot.


i guess there's no pleasing everybody huh?
 
Is not a dslr, ok but I want to see the footage of all people, and you will see that are almost identical resolutions, a thousands of functions, but why you need all this if color is not as good as cheapest hpx or hvx, or you gonna tell me that af-100 has more color than hpx?
 
I'd gladly trade off some of those specs to have in camera pro audio anyway. No one's talking much about it, but you try shooting a tv drama series with DIALOUGUE. , multiple camera angles, etc and then having to import all the audio from a digital recorder and match it all up to your video and then cut all your shots together. VERY TIME CONSUMING and NOT an ideal solution.
 
ripupthehwy said:
But I also think she should find somewhere else to go do her bitching.
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Wow. And all this time I thought pallllaaaaa was a "he". I think you're right.

Vitaliy Kiselev said:
As for price (of the AF100), it'll quickly fall to $4000 or even $3000.
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A lot of nuttiness going on these days.


pallllaaaaa said:
not all, never talk about color, 4:2:0 that is most important part.
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Barry/Jan say the camera is only 70% there. I secretly hope Panasonic drops the bomb that at 100% they've included 10bit 4:2:2. I hope.

But, as the spec stands at 70% you still have the option of using an external recording device for 4:2:2
 
pallllaaaaa said:
not all, never talk about color, 4:2:0 that is most important part.
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Please point out any camcorder under $20,000 that records in anything better than 4:2:0.

The entire list, start to finish, is:
Panasonic P2 camcorders
Canon XF camcorders

That's it. Even the $20,000 Sony PMW350 is 4:2:0.

I'm not saying 4:2:0 is wonderful, all I'm saying is -- for the price, what do you expect? And if it's that big of a deal to you, slap on a Ki Pro and record the uncompressed 1920x1080 footage in full 4:2:2 that's coming out of the HD-SDI port.
 
Iam not saying that sony are best, for nothing, Idont like sony anyway, what I said is sony Put a low price, but I dont want to buy this cam without audio and a lot more of things. what I said is why always you buy a camcorder, the next year your cam is obsolete like my Hpx 170, and I know if I buy AF-100 the next year for competence reasons, you may have AF-100 obsolete two, like sony do with the sony EX1, And next year you find the EX1r. all I am saying is please bring good camcorders to us, not to fix the competitors, because us are important too.
 
Well that's the nature of the electronics business. Anything you buy today, will be superseded tomorrow. That's how it works.

So you have to pick what does the job you need done, and then quit shopping. Instead, just put your head down and go to work. No matter what comes out tomorrow or next month or next year, it won't make your existing product stop working.
 
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