'Aetas' - an Epic Medieval Tale

Wow. Most of the criticism so far has been constructive. I thought your "AIM session" was just in poor taste. How is that in any way constructive? We spent a lot of time and hard work on this (everyone involved put forth 110% and Shawn put in at least 200%) and your little AIM chat commentary felt like a slap in the face.

I honestly don't understand what your reasoning was in posting that. Help me out here...

ken k and shawneous.

we were worried that if we released one of these with criticism built into it that it would be completely misunderstood. That's awesome that you worked really hard on your short. we all did. that really has nothing to do with it. Unfortunately, effort doesn't automatically equal an awesome film. I worked really hard on my first few shorts too, and let me tell you ... they sucked.

We did a detailed analysis (in real time) of EXACTLY what we thought of your film. If you didn't want to hear what we thought about your movie, you shouldn't have started a thread.

perhaps you didn't like the format of our criticism and some of it's built-in facetiousness and sarcasm. cause, in fact, it is constructive. Our session is by no means what you SHOULD have done, or that what you did was wrong, but what we would have liked to have seen in your short, or thought could have made it better.

So ... to paraphrase ... constructively.

In the beginning, We believe the fades in the beginning of the guy moving across the screen are WAY too fast, perhaps eliminating one would have better served the shot. (for the 6 minute constraint).

There's lots of walking in the beginning of this movie. A lot that doesn't really say much to us. Also, we felt there's not really any motivation for the fade in from black and fade out to black in these shots.

We thought your costumes were great. But in order to really sell the medieval look to it, we thought the two characters needed to look a little dirtier, a little grittier and their clothes a little more worn, especially the male lead.

I think the next point I explained in depth enough. You have all these great locations and chose a fairly ordinary forest to have the meat of the conversation. But i was wrong about the insert, she is looking up at the trees (remember this was in real time), but i'm still not a fan of the spinning trees overlay.

All of your shots, standing alone, look great, but put together, feel a little forced, with some fade transitions to hold them together. Especially between 3:24 and 3:42, it's a little messy. And when I say "these shots don't mean anything to me", i wanna know why. Why is he walking down this awesome path, why does his sword have blood on it, why is he covering his face, why does he need to find this waterfall and cave? There seems like there's no struggle in his quest, he just walks around until he finds it.

The last shot. I felt that your two characters look more like part of the scenery than part of the story. It's not complimenting them, they are complimenting it. It looks great, it just doesn't make me feel anything for your characters, more "That's some great scenery".

I thought your shots suffered from having to be squished into a 720x360 frame and from washed out compression. I'd love to see an HD or even 2k version of this, I'm sure i'd be more awestruck by the locations.

Shawneous also said that he set out to make an experimental film. From what I've seen, it looks fairly conventional (which IS NOT a bad thing). I would like him to explain more which elements he thought were experimental. Of course, these are all mostly technical quibbles as well. And of course, this is all our opinion, you are fully entitled to say "i don't give a spit what you think" and that would be that. My hope is that perhaps one of our ideas makes you think about Aetas in a different way.

And like I said before, there's a lot of stuff in this movie that f-ing rocked, but you already know these parts, cause when you played it back on set, you looked at each other, and said ... "that f-ing rocked", or "that was sex", or "we're going to blow the DVXusers away" (and so did we upon viewing it). So pat yourself on the back for that sh*t, it f-ing rocked.

Which officially ends the longest review we've given to someone in Timefest.


OR I can give you this kind of review.

DUDE!!! Your locations were awesome, the RED is such a great camera, way to make the most of it! Look forward to seeing more of what you guys do in the future.

Which, if having to decide between the two, would say that the latter is in poor taste.
 
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Now that was much more constructive feedback, thanks! :thumbsup:

I just didn't think two guys attempting MST3K-like commentary was that helpful/constructive/contributory. I appreciate the paraphrased update, though! That is what helps us. :)
 
Ben ...

Do us! Do us! .... You can give O2 any amount of ribbing/critique/trash talk you want too! I can see lots of material to work with myself!!!! Give it a go! Bag on us and sharpen your knives doods! I actually am entertained by this kind of back-room b.s. Imagine if we could mic all the viewing sessions!

So, please cue up O2 and let loose the dogs! We'll take what you got to give us!!!
 
Yeah it may be a bit much to expect filmmakers to take an MST 3K (or should I say 4K :) ) treatment of their baby very well while the hard drives are still hot.

But having said that, there's plenty of constructive stuff in there between the masks jokes, etc., which again, I think you can definitely expect some filmmakers to not love.

If you're one of the filmmakers' the best thing to do is think someone for their review and move on though, even if you think it's less than cool.
http://dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=125275

But you guys handled it pretty well from all sides while I was finding and moving the old thread / making this post :beer:
 
I'd like to see your aim chat if you did one for my film.

I like that kind of criticism.

we didn't, but we will now.

Ben ...

Do us! Do us! .... You can give O2 any amount of ribbing/critique/trash talk you want too! I can see lots of material to work with myself!!!! Give it a go! Bag on us and sharpen your knives doods! I actually am entertained by this kind of back-room b.s. Imagine if we could mic all the viewing sessions!

So, please cue up O2 and let loose the dogs! We'll take what you got to give us!!!

we we're chatting while you posted this, results coming soon.


Thread jack over, back to Aetas!
 
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Yeah it may be a bit much to expect filmmakers to take an MST 3K (or should I say 4K :) ) treatment of their baby very well while the hard drives are still hot.

But having said that, there's plenty of constructive stuff in there between the masks jokes, etc., which again, I think you can definitely expect some filmmakers to not love.

If you're one of the filmmakers' the best thing to do is think someone for their review and move on though, even if you think it's less than cool.
http://dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=125275

But you guys handled it pretty well from all sides while I was finding and moving the old thread / making this post :beer:
Yeah, that's why I had deleted my post and let it go... but Ben got me quoted before I deleted it. :P We're all good now, though. :beer:

I could definitely laugh at an MST3K treatment later and I'm sure Shawn and I would crack quite a few jokes about this if we had a commentary audio track, but yeah... still fresh. ;)

We honestly do appreciate all of the criticism thus far... it is beyond valuable.
 
Yeah, you and Shawn have been great sports. For instance, you guys didn't come hunt me down and shoot me when I did this poster for you:

aetas.jpg
 
Everyone is giving Ken a bad rap here.

Ben: it's simple, we appreciate your thoughts and furthermore I appreciate that you took the time to not only watch Aetas, but to comment on it. The part that seems unprofessional and immature is the mocking aspect of your comments, the only pro filmmaker I could ever imagine saying anything close to what you did is a drunk Tarantino. The tone was of two kids, too cool for school, or like when a pretty girl walks in the room and all the other girls immediately start making fun of her.

I know Ken, he has a pretty thick skin (I try to insult him every time I see him) so for you to try and make it seem like he couldn't take critcism is rude and unfair. Your "paraphrased" one was better and more inline and we appreciate you taking the time, energy and thoughtfulness to do that.

On your comments, I agree that the male lead's outfit should have been dirtier (something Ken and I talked about in post) and that 720x360 is a crummy resolution for Red footage, the 50mb limit prohibited anything more. As for your comments on how our shots, characters and story failed to impact you in any way, that's a valid feeling. Some movies just don't impact people. The Fountain, which was our inspiration, had me in tears whilst another group of people in the same theater as me walked out.
 
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Yeah, you and Shawn have been great sports. For instance, you guys didn't come hunt me down and shoot me when I did this poster for you:
<awesome poster>
Actually Mark, that was one of the funniest things I've seen in a long time. It still cracks me up! All of your posters have me in stitches, but this one totally took the cake. :grin: The text you have in there is the icing on the cake. LOL @ Epic Recycling.
 
Mark,

You never cease to amaze me with your posters and other PS work. I was cracking up at that. No, serously, cracking up - fall out of my ****ing chair funny.

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Criticism is a tough thing to give and take, and everyone has their own way of handling each aspect. Everyone will also have different perceptions of what others say (or in this case, type). This reminds me of the first script fest when someone gave my entry a very thoughtful and extensive critique, containing many negative criticisms. I came back with my response, not trying to defend my script, but just have a conversation about each of the points made. But then, many people felt I had been rude and was rejecting what was an extremely good review. That was not what I meant in the least and it took me a while to sort it out.

This situation is quite similar. Ben posted his AIM session, I don't think he was trying to be rude or condesending, but to some it came across that way. That's fine. These people voiced their thoughts. The problem is, like I prefaced this story with, everyone has their own perception of what others say which often leads to misundersandings and disputes.

As an onlooker, I think that Shawn is thankful Ben paraphrased his comments, and understands that Ben didn't mean anything by his AIM session. I think Ben will, in the future, ask before posting what is essentially (in my mind) a lighthearted take on a film that could very easily be taken the wrong way. I think if everyone just says "Okay, I understand" and puts away the pitchforks, everything will be okay.

Sorry for that post, I don't mean to poke in where I don't belong, but I just hate to see folks get into hot water with each other.
 
I think if everyone just says "Okay, I understand" and puts away the pitchforks, everything will be okay.
Whew... you're lucky you said something! I was halfway to Coursegold with my dual-sided pitchfork sabre (Mark, I'll need a Photoshop of this, stat!). :)
 
Whew... you're lucky you said something! I was halfway to Coursegold with my dual-sided pitchfork sabre (Mark, I'll need a Photoshop of this, stat!). :)

Frankly, I was thinking a mob with dem rad torches was likely! I was looking again at your BTS showing how you made those ... whoa!!!
 
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