I'm confused as to the advantage between shooting 24p and 30p. I assumed you would want to use 30p for shooting action because it is more frames per second but I am told that this is incorrect and fail to determine why. It just isn't making sense to me. Also, does 30p edit normally on a 29.97 timeline both by itself and when mixed with 24p and 60i??? Thanks for the help, new to the concepts of progressive scanning world and have done lots of reading but still have lingering questions. Thank you!
Advantages and differences between 24p and 30p
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J.R. Hudson
Spirit Animal
No no no
Shoot 24p. Forget about 30p.
Shoot 24p. Forget about 30p.
jdmoviemaker
Well-known member
30p is good if your going to be grabbing a frame to make a still photo
Barry_Green
Moderator
Your instincts are correct; 30P will be smoother and will edit on a 29.97 timeline.
With that said, what's the point? If you want smooth action, 60i is way smoother than 30P. If you want a filmlike look, 24P looks much more filmlike than 30P.
30P is kind of a weird hybrid. It's there if you want it, but keep in mind that if you shoot 30P you could never (successfully) transfer that to film or to PAL television, whereas both are possible with 24P.
With that said, what's the point? If you want smooth action, 60i is way smoother than 30P. If you want a filmlike look, 24P looks much more filmlike than 30P.
30P is kind of a weird hybrid. It's there if you want it, but keep in mind that if you shoot 30P you could never (successfully) transfer that to film or to PAL television, whereas both are possible with 24P.
dory_breaux
Todd Wannabe
QMFT.
Shoot 24 or 60i. 30P is good for doing a 20% slowdown for slowmotion but thats aboot it.
Shoot 24 or 60i. 30P is good for doing a 20% slowdown for slowmotion but thats aboot it.
60i is 30fps but interlaced. 2 sets of fields. 30x2 = 60. how does the 24p perform with action?? or should i stick to 60i for action videography?
William_Robinette
Shallow Member
Show some love for 30p.
For live events I use it all the time. It adds a polish that 60i doesn't have, but where 24p might be inappropriate.
For live events I use it all the time. It adds a polish that 60i doesn't have, but where 24p might be inappropriate.
dory_breaux
Todd Wannabe
It looks freeeeeeekin sick dude. It looks even more "actiony" at a 120 or 500 shutter.
It's not 30 fps.
It's 60 fields per second.
This is significant because it represents 60 separate moments in time, not 30.
30p is 30 fps. It's 30 moments in time. Half the temporal resolution; half the time samples.
dory_breaux
Todd Wannabe
you cant slo-mo 24p. it just doesnt work. not with SD anyway. but i usually shoot at a 1/48th or 1/60th shutter with 24pA and it looks poo pooing fabulous.
ahhh interesting. thank you for the correction.
jdmoviemaker
Well-known member
Thats what I do , my footage turns out great when I shoot in 30p
Its also very flexable when it comes to using slow-motion
arnoldbenedict
New member
24p in final cut
24p in final cut
when shooting in 24p to tape with the dvx what should the timeline settings be in final cut? do you still edit on a 29.97 time line?
24p in final cut
when shooting in 24p to tape with the dvx what should the timeline settings be in final cut? do you still edit on a 29.97 time line?
jdmoviemaker
Well-known member
You can , but when you use a 23.976 timeline it removes pulldown.
I have edited 24p on a 29.97 timeline & the results are still very good
I have edited 24p on a 29.97 timeline & the results are still very good
Barry_Green
Moderator
24P = the film look.
60i = the "live" look.
30P = sort of a hybrid. It's stroby like 24P, but not quite as stroby. It's a little bit smoother, but nothing like 60i or 60P.
Basically, use it if you want. But if you want smooth fluid motion, 60i/60P will be much smoother than 30P will.
60i = the "live" look.
30P = sort of a hybrid. It's stroby like 24P, but not quite as stroby. It's a little bit smoother, but nothing like 60i or 60P.
Basically, use it if you want. But if you want smooth fluid motion, 60i/60P will be much smoother than 30P will.
Mike Parker
Active member
Barry ---
I'm producing a pilot for a scuba diving/travel show in SD although the series --- if picked up --- will be in HD. We're shooting with my DVX100a in squeeze mode at 30p for the above water shots and with a Sony PD100a at 30i for the underwater stuff. We'll be editing in FCP or Premiere Pro.
I hate to sound like a heretic on this board, but I really don't care for the 24p film look for this type of programing. I (and the cable channel we're doing this for) prefer the "live" look of 60i. Nonetheless, I am interested in possibly purchasing an HPX500 and a pair of HVX200a's for the series because of the tapeless workflow. My question is, how do these cameras look in 1080i compared with, say, the Canon XH-A1 and the Canon XL-H1a? The ability to shoot at various frame rates and shoot at 24p is not important as we'll always shoot at 60i. The channel is cool with either camera package.
Thanks in advance.
I'm producing a pilot for a scuba diving/travel show in SD although the series --- if picked up --- will be in HD. We're shooting with my DVX100a in squeeze mode at 30p for the above water shots and with a Sony PD100a at 30i for the underwater stuff. We'll be editing in FCP or Premiere Pro.
I hate to sound like a heretic on this board, but I really don't care for the 24p film look for this type of programing. I (and the cable channel we're doing this for) prefer the "live" look of 60i. Nonetheless, I am interested in possibly purchasing an HPX500 and a pair of HVX200a's for the series because of the tapeless workflow. My question is, how do these cameras look in 1080i compared with, say, the Canon XH-A1 and the Canon XL-H1a? The ability to shoot at various frame rates and shoot at 24p is not important as we'll always shoot at 60i. The channel is cool with either camera package.
Thanks in advance.